Geat Krabi Krabong video

[Tee Sok]

Finally a nice video on Krabi Krabong.

It should make some things clear about this art, and more especially about
those (who ACCIDENTALLY are in the video) who claim to be the only true
masters and the only to know the truth; some because they won a medal in a physical education competition, some just because they are Thai.

Make no mistakes, they are drills and pre-arranged fights.
Yet these and other people claim they know the real KK and call these fights, and have the "my style is the best and my school the only true one" attitude.

The guy who posted says that KK is not fighting, that's not true of course, but what he shows isn't fighting at all.

Have fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOq_UlSk4us

[fire cobra]

I think most people watching those type of demos would be aware that they are just that demonstrations not fights,obviously with real swords its not possible to go for real without maiming or being maimed or killed,also using heavy sticks with no armour could cause serious injury,i understand where the author of the video is coming from but he is not taking into consideration all the other benifits/resons for training this way,ie,body mechanics,speed,power,fitness,etc,ok the distance and timing isnt great in those examples but by slowing things down a bit and getting closer to the targets that could be improved,all in all i like to study krabee krabong for the interest and fun,not to have a real sword fight! i know i am not trying to hurt my partner just as i dont want to hurt my muay thai training partners,but when i entered the ring to do it "for real" then all the skills i had trained and the attitudes sharpened and came together(no pun intended!)and just as a kk practicioner would im sure win loose or draw i fought for real.

[Tee Sok]

fire cobra,

good points. It's not wrong if somebody wants to learn the mechanics of Krabi Krabong, you start doing this when you train. But once you post videos
doing that and call that "fighting" or "sparring" then something is wrong.

It's like if boxers sparred throwing jabs and crosses over the opponent's head
or showing the movements so that the opponent can see them well in advance to prepare a defense/counter. Where's the use of doing this, it will never happen in a fight.
The author of the video basically shows this. When boxers spar they do hit themselves and put some kind of pressure on themselves, but in the video you don't even get close to it.

The dog brothers incorporate Krabi Krabong in their training and fights, but their fights look completely different from what you see on all the videos on youtube or in tournaments, which are called sparring/fighting.

[fire cobra]

Hi Teesok,good points from you to,my question is though how though can we use swords and really aim through the target?,as you may know most nak muay in thailand do NOT spar hard with the boney weapons,ie knee,elbow,shin,some do spar hard with boxing gloves on some dont,obviously because of injury,how then do you spar with contact to the head, joints etc with real blades and with heavy wooden weapons such as the plong(staff)? its a hard one to answer isnt it,i think part of the answer is we have to train certain atributes in different ways,ie tyre hitting for power,air work for speed and balance,controlled slower sparring for timing,accuracy,and then to put it together to show your skill to the public miss with your full speed power blows as per the videos,im not sure if these people do say it is real fighting? do they? my teachers say krabee krabong isnt needed now(use a gun!) but to keep the history tradition and SHOW the old skills then do demonstrations.I agree the dog brothers method is closer to "real fighting" but it isnt really real is it? take the head guards,fencing masks whatever of and use a plong or a real sword and see how that changes the game,then involve many more opponents on both sides,some dead bodies lying around to trip over,a elephant or two! ok im rambling now but im sure you get the point,thanks for the conversation teesok,all the very best in your training

[Tee Sok]

fire cobra:

training full contact with real swords is useless and dangerous. I believe that in the past not even warriors fought full contact with real swords for training.
Why risk to get seriously hurt or death when training? Fighting with sticks is useful and should be gradually approached, like every form of fighting. Some use real knives in their advanced training for instance, but you need a lot of experience.

People train like you said, not using full force for obvious reasons. While you can spar more or less lightly (but realistically) bare-handed, you can't fight lightly with sticks for reality's sake. I read that in the Philippines they use protections during championships, and they go at it full contact.

The dog brothers fight for real, the fencing mask is used mainly to protect the eyes and face, but it doesn't prevent blows from being severe. And I saw that they keep fighting even when the mask goes off...that's hardcore and it's as real as it gets and serious injuries do occur.

There are people calling what you see on the video "fighting" or "sparring" (just have a look)...but as that video shows, they don't touch themselves and don't even try to reach the target, so what's the use? Show? Ok, then call it that.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these guys now posted videos of them beating up each other, just to save face. That would be telling...

[Black Tiger]

Krabi krabong video

Hi Tee sok,

watched the video interesting stuff, is krabi krabong functional when compared to the fma, the krabi krabong in video does not seem functional at all?

are there schools of krabi krabong that are functional and one can use for combat or is it best to do fma for weapons training.

Best Regards

Black Tiger

[Tee Sok]

FMA are grat for fighting as far as I know. I am no expert of FMA
nor of KK, but I can tell the two work well in combat. I have been learning
KK and l saw escrima in action, they are great systems.

If you go to the FMA forum you'll find tons of info from people who know more than me.

[Black Tiger]

Krabi Krabong Video

Hi Tee Sok,

I interested in learning the Krabi Krabong, is there any good teachers out there in Europe or Thailand how dont teach it like in the Video but the fuctional way that can be used, i have been doing western boxing for ten years and would like to switch to muay thai but learn the traditional muay thai and weapons side of the art.

Thanks

Black Tiger

[Tee Sok]

Black tiger,

you will learn to move like you see in that video. That's a step you have to take before going further. As I said the nice thing about the video is that it shows that what some call sparring or fighting is definitely not what they say.
It's a funny clip but l think the guy who made it went a bit far with insults... And I am quite sure some of the guys there will come up with "tough" vids after this just to prove they are the real thing...

I will PM some addresses of some places that are good in my opinion.

[Black Tiger]

Hi Tee sok,

I dont want to move like these guys,may as well take up dance instead if you can PM me some addresses that would be great.