มวยโบราณ Muay Boran

[d0mayn]

Just wondering has anybody trained Muay Boran ? and what are peoples thoughts?

I have been training for a number of years and after a trip to Thailand i discovered it and admire and respect the traditional boxing (Ancient boxing style).
Does any one know much about the empty hand system Muay Kaacheurk?
Anyway id like to hear peoples thoughts on this powerful art. Oh i found this website http://www.muaythai.it/
Oh i found this vid on Youtube - Awud Mied (Thai Knife Fighting)

[Ghost]

I have studies some,IMO, muay boran has little modern relevance unless you like watching films.

Thai weapon systems are ok, too basic imo, they were used to train armies up quickly therefore are effective in there essence but they lack any real depth.
If you want weapons do kali/escrima/pekiti tersia.

If you looking for an ultimate lost style that not many people know, you wont find it.Bare knuckle fights still carry on in thailand today, especially near the border with burma. if you want to train bare knuckle you can.
If you live in the states check out Master Toddy, though he is cranky and odd he is excellent in his knowledge and he teaches bare knuckle as well as gloves, you have to learn to fight a bit differently. His fighters compete in thailand in bare knuckle muay thai.

[d0mayn]

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If you want weapons do kali

I have trained in Kali with Nino Pilla in Australia. I didnt go too far with it (3rd grade if i remember correctly) with him as i ended up concentrating on Muay Thai.

[Ghost]

ok well youll probably not find much of use in thai weapons. why did you stop?

[d0mayn]

I had been training in Kali and then took up Muay Thai with one of Nino's trainers and my focus ended up on Muay Thai. I do regret stopping Kali. I work in the security Industry and alot of my work has been and still is in Crowd control - Licensed venues (nightclubs / Pubs) and have found what i have learned in both arts - MT & Kali very valuable.

[Ghost]

personally id stick to muay thai, get back to kali and chuck in some judo or something similar.

[d0mayn]

personally id stick to muay thai, get back to kali and chuck in some judo or something similar.

I am wanting to train in wing chung but there is no one near me that trains in it

[sportmuaythai]

I have studies some,IMO, muay boran has little modern relevance unless you like watching films.

Thai weapon systems are ok, too basic imo, they were used to train armies up quickly therefore are effective in there essence but they lack any real depth.If you want weapons do kali/escrima/pekiti tersia.

Thai sword and knife fighting is almost as advanced as muaythai. Unfortunately, few foreigners get to learn from respected teachers. Search for Sritrirat, one of true masters. Also, swords made by respected Thai swordsmith are a thing of beauty. Yet they cost less than $200. Swords made in Ayudhaya cannot compare to these exquisite swords.

[fire cobra]

I agree with SportMuay,

My experience with Krabee Krabong tells me there is a great deal of depth in the Thai weapon systems,however as SportMuay said it is so hard to find a good Ajarn.

[Ghost]

I agree with SportMuay,

My experience with Krabee Krabong tells me there is a great deal of depth in the Thai weapon systems,however as SportMuay said it is so hard to find a good Ajarn.

detailed compated to what? it doesnt have the depth of kali.
its good in terms of having a easy to pick up system that is practical, so im not saying its a bad system, i just feel kali is better.

[Tee Sok]

I agree with Sportmuaythai, the swords of the sword maker in question are true work of art (along with the sheath and cord). Ayudhaya swords are ok but they can't match these traditionally made swords in terms of beauty and quality.

[sportmuaythai]

I beg to pass on words that there will be a seminar on Lanna ( northern Thailand) swords, at Chiangmai University, and this will be a good opportinity for any body interested in northern Thai swordsmanship to meet various teachers of different styles. Possibly, there will be a display from a welknown sword institute. The seminar will be on Saturday February 16. If you can find some one who reads Thai, here is the thread.

http://www.pantip.com/cafe/supachalasai/topic/S5857119/S5857119.html

[Tee Sok]

Very interesting! I've trained in Lanna and it is a very particular system as there are Burmese and some Chinese influences, which make it a rich style in my opinion. It is also quite difficult to see the real thing as it is not as widespread as other Thai systems. I wish I could be there and I recommend anyone interested to attend the seminar.

Sportmuaythai, as I cannot read thai could you please tell me the names of the teachers who will be there? Thanks!

[sportmuaythai]

detailed compared to what? it doesnt have the depth of kali.
I just feel kali is better.

Thai sword and knife fighting is almost as advanced as muaythai.

A Thai swordsman competed in Japan against Japanese swordsmen at their own game this year and finished second. He never did train in the Japanese sword fighting art. Kali is a good art but, Ghost, you should know what you're discussing before you make a statement. The royal courts of Cambodia, Burma and Siam all fostered swordsmanship, and these are highly advanced and refined arts, not in the same class as training given to the mass soldiers.

[sportmuaythai]

Sportmuaythai, as I cannot read thai could you please tell me the names of the teachers who will be there? Thanks!

It would be difficult for me to write their names in English, since these teachers may spell their names differently. I'll give just a brief explanation to the list.

สำนักดาบอาริยเมตต์ Ariyamate sword institute

List of styles and teachers:
สายของพ่อครูคำ กาไวย์
- พ่อครูมาณพ ยาระณะ
- สายพ่อครูคำสุข ช่างสานซึ่งสืบสายลายเจิงมาจากพ่อครูปวน คำมาแดง
- ดาบสายไตของครูส่างคำ จางยอด
- สายพ่อสล่าปุ้น ช่างเหล็ก
- อาจจะมีสายพ่อสล่าปายเมือง จากเวียงแหงด้วยค่ะ
- ดาบลื้อจากพ่อครูทางพะเยา อาจจะเป็นพ่อหนานสามหรือพ่อครูคนใด

ดาบเมือง ดาบไต ดาบลื้อ Thai Lanna style, Shan style and northern tribal style.

Shan state and northern tribes would certainly have Burmese and Chinese influence.
BTW I know just very little about Thai swordsmanship.