Muaychaiya Vs Vovinam

[killer]

MMA FIGHT MATCH IN BANGKOK , THAILAND

SKYDRAGON (Vovinam) VS STORMTIGER (Muaychaiya)

In weight 55-60 kilo

SKYDRAGON Is Champion in World Vovinam Championship 2007

STORMTIGER Is student of Krupreang form Siamyuth

Other interesting fight match you can see in
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[george stando]

Killer has returned with more propaganda.

Where is the muay chaiya..the stance, the moves, the other stuff kru praeng teaches and supposedly says he can use in real time. No where to be found? This stuff always makes me scratch my head.

I mean good win but with a bjj/jj tech.

[fire cobra]

Killer has returned with more propaganda.

Where is the muay chaiya..the stance, the moves, the other stuff kru praeng teaches and supposedly says he can use in real time. No where to be found? This stuff always makes me scratch my head.

I mean good win but with a bjj/jj tech.

I agree George,there was no Muay Chaiya evident,however the Thai lad was decent enough standing up,he had a nice high kick and timed it well i thought,just shows us yet again that we need to know about arm bars /triangles etc alongside our strikes up top.

[Tee Sok]

I agree, just where is the Muay Chaiya ?

Killer has returned with more propaganda.

Where is the muay chaiya..the stance, the moves, the other stuff kru praeng teaches and supposedly says he can use in real time. No where to be found? This stuff always makes me scratch my head.

I mean good win but with a bjj/jj tech.

[george stando]

I dont mean to push the issues any further. So Kru Praeng is now teaching BJJ and if so where did he learn it and from whom. Just an honest question.

[killer]

I dont mean to push the issues any further. So Kru Praeng is now teaching BJJ and if so where did he learn it and from whom. Just an honest question.

Kru preang have only learn Muay Chaiya Form Kru tong and Krabi Krabong form Senior in Ramkamheng University

Kru preang never learn Other Country martial art , he find and learn only thai martial art. Becuase we thing Thailand have many knowledge about martial art and hard to train all.like Grand Master Ketr Say

“I have studied Muay Thai for all my life, and have yet to fully master the art.

Anyone who claims to have completed the study has not grasped its true essence.”


In this video Stormtiger learn Muay Chaiya in 5-6 Month before this match

And don't thing thai people is fool. We have train Peen Tonmai - Tai Chuek (Climb trees, climb rope). Climbing trees and ropes would develop stamina, endurance, and equilibrium of one’s body. It is a way to lay a foundation for the students to learn the grappling, clinching, swinging, climbing, scaling, mounting, which are other spectrums Muay Chaiya.

Traditional Muay Thai Chaiya training - Peen Tonmai,Tai Chuek by terapak -- Revver Online Video Sharing Network

We learn to how control enemy when we climb to him. it can learn when you pass blocking or shielding, brushing away, covering, and opening (Pong-Pud-Pid-Perd)

In video we call Hug keang sing (Break the lion leg) not call triangle becuase we use muay chaiya technic not bjj.

[killer]

Master Amornkrit Pramuan, or Kru Preang to his Muay Thai students, has carried on the intention of the masters, who had come before him, to continue the legacy of preserving Muay Thai in it’s true form, which had been forgotten since the banning of fighting with rope, or hem binding as we called Muay Kad-Chuek. Many techniques, unique to Muay Thai, have been lost due to the imposing of rules adapted from western boxing.

Kru (teacher) Preang, was the close student of Kru Thong Chuer-Chaiya, who had inherited the Muay Thai Chaiya from the Grand Master Ketr Sriyapai (the last grand master of Muay Thai), who had learned from his father, Phraya Wajeesatayarak, the provincial governor of Chaiya. The Grand Master also learned from another 13 masters until he was well versed in MuayThai.

Muay Thai Chaiya, not only utilizes fists, feet, knees, and elbows as we commonly see in the main stream Muay Thai, but also uses the forgotten elements of throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking (Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk), they are no less dangerous than the throwing and joint locking of other martial arts. There are other sets of techniques with names that rhyme and contain deep meanings. They are to lure, to mislead, to elude, to avoid, to deceive, and to tease (Lor-Lork-Lop-Leek-Lorklor-Lorlen), or to hug, to squeeze, to swing the opponent from side to side, and to cast or throw the opponent down (Kod-Rad-Fad-Wieng). These are the techniques for inside fighting, that we no longer see in today’s Muay Thai. Even the way to fall, to get up, to roll on the ground, and to crawl (Lom-Look-Klook-Klan), which deal with proper way of rolling on the ground and falling so the practitioners wouldn’t get hurt.

So, an exponent of the old and traditional Muay Thai, such as Muay Thai Chaiya, does not limit oneself to only one-dimensional fighting of stand up strike. If the fight takes one down to the ground, one still has to be able to fight effectively. Since the old traditional Muay Thai was created for the engagement in battlefields, being able to engage with several opponents at the same time has made Muay Thai Chaiya so formidable.

[george stando]

Ah, killer the propaganda king! What happened about Fairtex? You took them for a ride with your phony muay chaiya and your bullshit groundfighting. Kru Praeng is making up all this shit and passing it off as authentic muay chaiya. Killer if you know what muay chaiya is as taught by kru tong you would know you aint teaching it.

The situation and lies you spread as the propaganda minister is getting worse and worse and your credibility is lessening everytime you post.

its evident you are too brainwashed and too stupid to understand you are looking like a fool time and time again

Kru Praeng is a nothing. he keeps trying to promote himself to some high level and show he is something but all he is a teacher of an antique muay system without the functional tools and base of his teacher kru tong.

You guys keep posting all over the net but most people in America thanks to the efforts of the few who know this situation have spread the word to stay away from the nonsense that keeps running from kru Praengs mouth.

understand there are those of us who have little to no respect for kru praeng and his brainwashed followers.

Everytime you come on a board you are doing all of us a great favor by showing the stupidity that extends from kru praengs mouth and the teachings whcih are nothign more than empty kata without a brain.

Also we KNOW the history of muay chaiya and where it came from and who the teachers are. The one teacher causing problems within the muay chaiya community is Kru Praeng who is an eyesore to martial arts integrity and principal.

Keep all your stuff in the garbage bin in thailand, we dont need it here in america.

[george stando]

From the propaganda minister:

"""""Muay Thai Chaiya, not only utilizes fists, feet, knees, and elbows as we commonly see in the main stream Muay Thai, but also uses the forgotten elements of throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking (Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk), they are no less dangerous than the throwing and joint locking of other martial arts. There are other sets of techniques with names that rhyme and contain deep meanings. They are to lure, to mislead, to elude, to avoid, to deceive, and to tease (Lor-Lork-Lop-Leek-Lorklor-Lorlen), or to hug, to squeeze, to swing the opponent from side to side, and to cast or throw the opponent down (Kod-Rad-Fad-Wieng). These are the techniques for inside fighting, that we no longer see in today’s Muay Thai. Even the way to fall, to get up, to roll on the ground, and to crawl (Lom-Look-Klook-Klan), which deal with proper way of rolling on the ground and falling so the practitioners wouldn’t get hurt."""""""""

Ring Muay Thai is an evolved sport and we do not see alot of the muay chaiya techniques in ring muay thai. They were streamlined and changed over time through FIGHTING, not by doing kata and mouthing off. As a thai person who supposedly has knowledge this is beyond reproach for its stupdity.

Also all the techniques were not and are not carried on by Kru Praeng, direct students of kru khetr still exists, kru tongs brother still exists and alot of top students of kru tong still teach...so how are the techs lost. Are you telling me that kru praeng THINKS he is the only one with this knowledge...COME ON...Only an idiot would think this.

Then you go into a catalog of old techniques and try to make like you know something, thais had wrestling techs at one point but it died out. The techs you mention dont resemble new techniques nor do they apply in theory and mechanics to new grappling techs stand up or not. You think because you sprout thai terms and THINK you know something but you are doing yourself and your teacher a great slap because again it shows a great limitation in understanding and thought.

Anytime you want to go at it face to face like I told you a million times Killer contact me personally. still waiting for your email or IM here. I have no fear of your techs and definitely no fear of Kru Praengs fighting ability.

One way or another, we are going to shut you down even if we have to put you in the hospital for a long, long time. Trust me its coming.

You are a fraud and it will be proven in time without a doubt.

[killer]

george stando you in bangkok Or Thailand ?

You can come to my Gym at Soi ramkhamhaeng 39 or you can see map in www.muaychaiya.com all day kub.

Or in Sat 16 august we have go to cheer Stormtiger in Naksu Macth at Dark knight Stadium Ramintar too.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1559/asawindumstadiumyp3.jpg

No problem when you want come to talk or test With us. Have many fighter in lot of martial art style. come to test with Kru Preang. All of them respect Kru Preang after try to test Kru Preang.

Oh in Naksu Match Buakraw Por Pamuk will come to see too.And he will give belt to winner of this match.

At fairtex we stop the plan to train in this time because Fighter be tired to train Muay thai and Muay Chaiya in same time and they will train hard for fight in muay thai match. No have program to fight in mma match too. ^_^

[killer]

Frist time i learn about grappling in muay chaiya

I know Master Tor of Emac and i have go to visit him at i begin train muaychaiya. because my friend learn Jujitsu and Bjj .he come to play with me and bring me to emac frist time.

I have play with master tor and Ink and i think it fun and that time i want to learn bjj with him too but when i bring my friend meet Kru preang. My friend want to grappling with Kru Preang. Kru Preang play with him and show how to grappling in muaychaiya he talk to me it different with Jujitsu and Bjj. (we have many student in other Martial Art like Judo akido Jujitsu bjj wingtsun and all of them after play with Kru Preang will tell it different)

i say with Kru preang i want to learn throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking (Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk) in muay chaiya , after that i don't have go to learn other martial art.

i go to train muaychaiya in 2003 but in 1996 Kru Preang have tech Toom-Tup-Jub-Huk to some senior student before bjj at Emac come to thailand.

But this style not like old style training because we practice in only grappling and cut dangerous technic for play in sport too. and develop for fight in grappling rule. but will come form main technic of muay chaiya no copy form other style.

Now in Siam yuth Center we training in 3 style.
1.strike only
2.Grappling only
3.Full style

We train it for Prepare Fight in traditional Muay Chaiya Rule at soon. In traditional Muay Thai regulation in King Rama Vii (1925) tell about

"Two Fighter have decide to fight Strike or grappling , have one person hurt or die matchmaker not have guilt , because he not have intend to kill person but want to look at something for fun or for health , it is karma of dead people"

And in traditional Muay Thai Rule We can attack when someone on the ground and he not face down to the floor because it mean he can protect when someone attack.

Can attack all of body. In the eye or sexual organ too. No Weight. Becuase it train for fight in battlefield. I think similar UFC Rule in frist time.

[killer]

Oh sorry forget tell something

I learn about Muay Chaiya but when i propagandise about Muay Chaiya is wrong ?

I have learn Muay Thai Sport before learn Muay Chaiya too. And Kru Preang or Kru tong (Master of Kru Preang) is learn Muay Thai Sport Before learn Muay Chaiya.

This is frist time i seen Muay Chaiya and Kru preang
Martial Art - Muay Thai Chaiya 2003 by terapak -- Revver Online Video Sharing Network

and i think this is bjj because in that time my friend give me vcd about UFC 1-3 and i not have knowledge in traditional Muay thai i never know muay thai have thorw or grappling but after i meet kru preang Muay Thai image is change

we have one student he and friend bring muay thai to america in 30 years ago come to thailand and meet Kru Preang he say like me World of muay thai in his head is change.

when i come to touch Muay Chaiya i think it different.

Muay thai sport has Stike Technic - Muay thai Chaiya have Stike Technic too.

Muay thai sport has Defend Technic - Muay thai Chaiya have Defend Technic too.

But Muay Thai sport rule can't throwing, pressing, grappling (ground fighting) clinching and joint breaking - Muay Chaiya rule you can do anything.

But i don't compare about efficiency of two stlye because it depend on Fighter. I think all of Martial Art Style will have Great Fighter.

Muay Chaiya have train in little group not like Muay Thai Sport today but in Thailand you can find traditional martial art in South or north Style have thorwing or grappling technic too. But it so hard to find Old masters they not teach to other easy.

Best Regard
Killer

[george stando]

All your posts are ridiculous. Now you are really spreading bullshit. Its continuing on in bullshido.net too.

Your posts dont reflect any understanding of muay thai and its endless propaganda about kru praeng and praeng is nothing but bullshit and non sense forum after forum.

You keep saying you know muay thai and you know muay chaiya by why doesnt any of your writing reflect any of this at all.

I told you to PM or IM. When I arrive you will come to me. I dont come to frauds.

Anybody who believe any of this stuff needs to have their head checked.

Nobody in their right mind would pay your stuff any mind whatsoever.

[george stando]

Secondly, you keep trying to say that old style techniques look like modern style techs especially in grappling which they do not. The old techs have unique variations and uses but nothing like modern usage, dont confuse the two. You are trying to rationalize what you are doing by giving it an old name, you watch too many ong bak movies and now you believe it.

Any body who studies or researchs this will find the truth and it will have nothing in common with what you write and present on these boards. Its that simple and thus you are propaganda minister and bullshit writer, its all for your own promotion and trying to promote praeng.

[george stando]

Thirdly, if you come on any forum and made a positive contribution in terms of anything it would be one thing but thats not so.

But all you do is pump one viewpoint and this theory that kru praeng is the saviour and top man of muay chaiya WHICH HE IS NOT and WILL NEVER BE. Its a falsehood no thai person or historian or researcher will ever agree with.
Its a myth, so keep it all to yourself.

If you want to come on American forums then contribute somethiing positive or at least something well researched and known.

DOnt assume that because you are a brainwashed thai that any american or foreigner would buy into it.

The stuff and history you present is one sided and lopsided toward theory and history that represents one side of the story. Fair enough, you have that right but true to the american way I can challenge that notion and present evidence otherwise.

I am trying to be fair to you since you are like a cult member: brainwashed, misguided and lost. In time, you will find the truth.

Until then, try to make a positive contribution to this forum and others.