Old Style Muay Thai Videos

[Storm0266]

Has anyone heard of Donnie B? I came across his videos about old style muay thai and was wondering if he is legit. Here is a video with him demonstrating a thai kick.

YouTube - Donnie B: Muay Thai Round Kick Technique

[george stando]

You got to be joking. He doesnt even understand the ring muay thai kick, and he definitely doesnt understand the old style kicks of which there are a few outside of the shin. Where do these guys come from?

To make matters worse I am here with my muay thai trainer ajarn daeng and he just shook his head and screamed Nooo! when I showed him the clip. So at least you got one expert here in thailand giving his opinion outside of mine. You can go from there......

[fire cobra]

Thats awful! how can these people get away with it?!.

[Khun Kao]

I actually sent him an email sometime back politely asking who he trained with. My inquiry stated that I was interested in continuing my own Muay Boran training as the coach I normally train with is a Bangkok resident and I rarely have the opportunity to get together with him.

He never replied.

[JAB]

George and Fire -
Perhaps you can tell us what is the "RIGHT" way? Thanks!

I am no expert in MT, but he looks REALLY young to be an expert in anything! Looks are deceiving though.

Cheers
Jake

[george stando]

Who would know where to begin with that clip as well as the others. It doesnt matter how young a person is, there are kids in my camp, who could explain, demonstrate and use a muay thai kick with effortless skill.

As far as a RIGHT way? There are simple mechanics that should be in place and followed through in execution.

I've seen some of these moves and explanations before there is someone teaching this kind of "old style stuff" on west coast and its strictly made up.

As far as legit, people can legitamize anything in this day and age but in the face of reality, understanding, demonstration and execution you just blow that all out the window with clips like those. There are more clips of the guy beyond that one.

Sent the clips over to a few people I consider experts on both ring and old muay, and they said it wasnt even worth responding to. I frankly agree!

[JAB]

I hear you. You think it is a problem in MT, try out the Chinese arts sometime

But again, perhaps you would be kind enough to share the "right" mechanics, and pointers for us newbies.
Thanks
Jake

[fire cobra]

George is perfectly right Jab,They havent even got the Modern way down correct.

Muay Boran or Boran is a word that means ancient in the Thai language,there are various styles of Muay Boran,each have there own methods of Kicking etc,that guys clips shpw none of what I have seen of Muay Lopburi(my teachers stle) Muay Korat,Muay Utteradit or Muay Chaiya which are four "styles" of old or ancient or Boran methods of Thai Fighting.

I know this doesnt help much Jab sorry,George may contribute more as I know he is much more qualified to speak about Muay Chaiya than I am.

[george stando]

Hi JAB, the thais dont have that much infighting actually outside of the muay chaiya community and its just two teachers who for the most part are really inconsequential to the true teaching of the art(in time their egos will realize that). I am no expert by any means in old muay but I have trained in it and continue to do on a time basis away from my regular muay thai. So I can only help so far. But always by default I just consult a master or top trainer since I am here and have access which I did.

In the US, there are a few people whether they are thai or not who know the true old stuff. Alot of people pass it off as such and such, to expand or make money, but it has nothing to do with nothing.

As far as mechanics of the old style, I dont recognize what he is doing at all. I sent it to a few others and they just said he made it up which is what i thought.

For the mechanics of the current ring muay thai kick, there are probably treads here or youtube links that generate out of thailand or with some good kickers or trainers. If not, firecobra, myself, khun kao and the rest can help I am sure. I think khun kao has alot of well written stuff on the internet you can access for basics. All i can offer is my own point of view as tainted and maybe not as polished as others but I am still fighting and learning.

[Storm0266]

George:

Could you explain the simple mechanics that should be in place and followed through when executing a thai kick or perhaps provide a link to a good video explanation?

Thanks

[fire cobra]

YouTube - The Art of muay thai- Kicking

Samkors left round kick.

[JAB]

Nice! Thanks!

[Khun Kao]

I'm still waiting for a response from him....

[sjmt]

Man, my kicks must suck... Donnie B.

Responded to Khun Kao, finally.

I agree with you guys, I do look young. I get that more that I'd like, but I am 33 and have been training for 15 years.

I see that some of you have shown my video to other MT experts and everyone is saying that I have no clue as to what I am doing. That may be because of two reasons. Firstly let's talk semantics. The kicks I demonstrated are indeed a muay thai kick. No, its a not a ring style technique, and it does resemble muay boran - to be more accurate it comes from muay chao cheurk (muay chaiya). Yes, my legs are bent, I'm not standing straight up, I lean into my kicks. No, they are not meant for use in the ring, and yes, they generate a lot of power.

Secondly, muay thai camps in Thailand will not teach farangs older systems of muay thai for one of two reasons: to keep the best parts of their native martial art out of the hands of foreigners, or because they never trained those systems. So it's understandable if a kru or a trainer screams "NOOO!". It's all relative to an extent - I'd probably say the same if I were in his shoes.

Debate is a healthy thing, and everyone here is perfectly entitled to their own (or their instructor's) opinion. Different is not necessarily a bad thing, even when it flies against what you know. The one thing I always appreciated about MT was that it seemed to the only system that put little bearing on the whole "my master is better than yours" banter.

Storm266 - Am I legit? That's up to you to decide. But it doesn't really matter as I'm not selling anything, I'm not trying to get you to sign up at my school... I simply got tired of watching meat heads on YouTube throw what was, in my world (the entirely made up west coast), poor techniques. Flame away...

Donnie B.

[george stando]

Well, who did you train with in thailand(specifically as you say muay chaiya) and where did you get your information from on who teaches what especially in older styles. Your information is clearly outdated and there are a lot of farangs who have been training these systems since the late eighties/early nineties and present them very accurately and in totality.