Muay Chaiya Fighter : Chan Son of wind

[Sieh Tanonchai]

man, you are really grasping at straws. What kind of drugs you on, sieh? Come on. The whole fight is so outside muay chaiya structure and what they teach and develop it isnt funny. its actually a perfect example and illustrates the exact argument you dont want to face. how to be functional and stop exaggering and over theoretical every thing. It just shows your true lack of understanding. I mean it looks like even killer understands that.

Actually it seems we found something we can talk about: education and style of fighting.

Education
For me it seems killer left this discussion due to his education. He would not continue a conversation since their is no base to start from.
This behavior you can find quite often, specially in Thailand. This is why most foreigners just find some basic MT, you find what you search for.

Style of fighting:
Why do you think this style is not Chaiya???
I learn basics of Pahuyuth and Muai Duekdammban (this is also ancient). Often for training purposes you change your basic position. But when fighting your basic position is usually the MT position since this position is the best choice for stand-up fights. This is why it was created. In clips for demo you see all kind of fancy stuff, but this has nothing to do with fighting, these are 2 different issues.
Consequently why do you think killer asked:
"George i want to ask you have knowledge about muay chaiya ??

you have train Muay chaiya or anything like Ancient muay thai ?
...
Not only muay chaiya have many technic than muay thai today when you know about Jeng(Northen Style Muay thai) it have many technic about throwing, pressing, grabbling or clinching and joint breaking too."

You don't really think anyone would fight just as the clips are made like, do you??

[george stando]

Sieh,
You dont know what the **** you are talkiing about. You are digging yourself a bigger and bigger hole each time you open your mouth.

You dont know anything about thailand or training here or an old style anything, so refrain making any reference to having any ability to see or talk about anything.

I trained in those styles when i want to and when i can, there is nothing hidden, killer mentioned some northern system material and i gave the northern system and the teacher I trained with to shut him up. Foreingers have found and continue to train in all these old styles as evidenced by the mass number i see all the time in classes and on the road.

You dont understand anything about muay chaiya so why are you butting in again? There is no use of muay chaiya at all in the clips, they are trained in a modern way and they are using and implementing modern techniques. Sieh are you trained in boxing, wrestling, bjj, muay thai or anything like that to be able to see anything like that? No you arent. so what are you commenting on and what is it worth? Nothing.

Also dont twist my words, you moron. Do you know how to read or do you just read things that you twist in your dyslexic mind? I said muay thai was the evolution from the old systems to the modern way of doing things by whittling away of the unessentials of the old style. Go to thailand and research that. Do you know how to do research, how to seperate myth from fact? Because you are lost in fantasy myth making.

You dont fight--so talking about fighting is outside the spectrum of your understanding or communication, so again talk about what you know.

The clips are a modern variation by way of using modern mma tactics and muay thai footwork, it is not muay chaiya whose structure and footwork are not that at all.

At the bottom end of all of this, sieh you have no experience, you have no research, you have no ability, you failed to answer numerous challenges to step up and prove your worth but you cowered like a little worthless coward that you are.

Ignorance is bliss, so go crawl back into your hole with your two thousand worthless techniques and plagarized history writing and preach to the choir of the other lost cult members who are as lost as you.

Go out and train, go fight, and realize the truth.

[kyuss]

i thought this thread was pretty good, killer was clear and simple though a bit misguided as most people like him and sieh are, saying they alone know about the past systems, and such. Which is a really bad mistake.
George made several excellent points as well pointed out the positives of killer getting out there and doing it and suggested calling it a muay chaiyia fight system or adjust the name to suit the new way they are doing things off the old format just like muay thai came from the old systems and made into a new more efficient fighting system used throughout the world. george also cleared up enormous misconceptions about who were involved in early mma in thailand which is important to people making claims that have no root in any truth whatsoever.
Its simply evident they are fighting in a modern way similiar to muay thai and mma, and trying to put in some muay chaiya where they can which seems diffiuclt under pressure and in real time which has been said in each thread over and over and simply glossed over each time.
Sieh, has jumped in, twisted peoples words and keeps trying to interject his own voice, which is inexperienced not only in fighting but in being in thailand and living and training in the place where george and killer live, as well as no understanding whatsoever of muay thai which makes it seemingly difficult to manage any conversation with him. He says he wants to ask questions but keeping making long winded statements he refuses to back up. George says he has trained and continues to investigate old systems especially weapons but it again gets ignored and written over, he at least makes an attempt to understand whereas killer and sieh make no attempt whatsoever...so who is one sided and limited in view?
If you read the posts there is alot of inside information about certain truths. pahuyuth people and certain muay chaiya are trying to sell certain truths and its commerce, ego, money and control over deep understanding and truth. So there is always going to be an argument. I think its apparent to any one reading this where the line of truth lies. Its makes me not only angry but really sad reading all this because its true these guys are in cults and they refuse to open their eyes.

[Sieh Tanonchai]

Fine, I see our minds are very different and it seems there is no way to approach right now.

If one of you is able to answer my basic questions about Pahuyuth and its relation to the king of Thailand I appreciate. Possibly this is something for you to think about, if recognized. I got some more of these uncomfortable question what could bring down the roof on your head(s).

For the ones writing pn's to me and the one's who don't, I just switch to light conversations for now. Detailed issues we can discuss non-public, everybody stays anonymous with me just as before.

"I want to talk with you so much but i think there is a wall language between us - -

thank you for your comments ... "

Sieh

click
-Light conversation mode on-

[george stando]

Hey look-
No one cares about your questions coming down on the roof of our heads? Cant you see that? Who are you to put any question to anybody when you cant even answer anything simple or anything at all that have been put to you? What are YOU holier than thou? Dont try to educate anyone when you need to break free of your cult like mentality and grow up.

Stop polluting the forum with nonsense. If you want to contribute, CONTRIBUTE in a positive manner. IF you read your posts, you arent contributing anything at all. You are making a nuisance of yourself and a buffoon to be laughed at.

If you want to post information, post it, nobody is going to answer any quiz from a person who doesnt know anything. If you post stuff and nobody answers is because nobody cares what you have to say. Obvious is isnt.

[Sieh Tanonchai]

Hey look-
No one cares about your questions coming down on the roof of our heads? Cant you see that? Who are you to put any question to anybody when you cant even answer anything simple or anything at all that have been put to you? What are YOU holier than thou? Dont try to educate anyone when you need to break free of your cult like mentality and grow up.

Stop polluting the forum with nonsense. If you want to contribute, CONTRIBUTE in a positive manner. IF you read your posts, you arent contributing anything at all. You are making a nuisance of yourself and a buffoon to be laughed at.

If you want to post information, post it, nobody is going to answer any quiz from a person who doesnt know anything. If you post stuff and nobody answers is because nobody cares what you have to say. Obvious is isnt.

checking light conversation mode: On.

Sure george.
I see now, when it comes to a question where somebody needs to know in order to answer, it is hard. No beat around the bush, it's about knowing the relation, Pahuyuth, the answers of my question or not knowing.
easy, isn't it?
I think this is very positive, don't you? It's a good and nice step to come together.

[george stando]

Its just keeps going on and on with you. You are lost, and a lost cause. Stop with the meaningless posts. We will never come together. You refuse to answer any questions put to you by me and thereby I have the right and cause to refuse to acknowledge you know anything at all and you will be treated as such. A buffoon.