The Chaiya Grape Kool Aid

[george stando]

You are wrong. Go back and do your homework and read the threads carefully on this forum.

You have invaded every forum from martialtalk and others with the same nonsense.

You have just started training and are a beginner so train a bit more and read the threads more carefully.

You are a new member to the forum with one agenda to spread your spam and kool aid.

Chaiya people are dubbed grape kool aid drinkers because they are all cult members and take on cult member attitude because they are the ones not listening to reality and anyone elses opinions only their own as you are doing.

Who would want to train with any chaiya teacher after reading all the endless posts from the students of all three teachers over years and years. READ everything on here and other forums. Read the nonsense just posted to the other forum as kyuss just posted. If you dont see the earmarks of continuous spamming and problems from the chiaya people then you need to go about your life and keep drinking the kool aid.

Im no keyboard warrior airhead. Educate yourself quick because like the other chaiya morons before you, you are making serious errors.

Again repeating the empty your cup concept just like nat did on the forum( is that a cult trademark slogan now). Do you yourself or any chaiya person understand that. In the face of reading through the threads if you are intelligent enough to read are you going to deny the stupidity and ridiculousness chaiya people have brought to their own art? If so you are delusional. Get a dictionary and start looking up the words then answer.

[george stando]

This is not a witch hunt but an expose over time of a specific attitude by chaiya practitioners on forum after forum. The chiaya guys and teachers spread stuff but think they are above criticism.

been training and competing all my life, so i look at everything realistically and honestly. I dont buy into delusional, illlusion and downright stupidity. If you do, then live in alice in wonderland, i hear its very comforting and warm there.

[Ianchaiya]

i just wanted to discuss my chaiya, i guess you guy arent willing to allow discussion and just criticism. i feel sorry for u. im part of no cult. chaiya suits me just fine. it doesnt suit u? fine. not my problem. i like you dont like. i dont like tkd but im not about to start a thread saying its crap. this is keyboard bullying. you should be ashamed of yourselves.

i dont see myself brainwashed at all. i like chaiya. it works for me. why such a massive problem? you started a fight and your only argument seems to be you spoke to some people you disagreed with. and who cares about this that and the other? i like the techniques, the teaching and my master why so negative?

can we start again? can we stop this 'youre stupid' 'your ignorant' you know nothing'. yes i said these things, but i take them back. you guess obviously know your history and remember the negative arguments you have had. now i say, lets have a discussion.

i will start.

i like chaiya. muay thai didnt quite have some of the aspects of a martial art i was looking for. i looked to muay boran and i found muay chaiya being taught not to far from where i live in bangkok. after a few months of training i could see this was a really interesting art which wasnt all that well known around the world and that few people had had the chance to study it long term due to the cost of training and that its only really taught in thailand. i could see how a lot of the techniques echoed more established forms such as karate, such as using hard and soft together and body weight. i really like my teacher, he seems very nice and he is really very kind. i had an initiation ceremony with him last week and they experience was very spritual for me and i felt amazing afterwards. i have offered my services to kru mud as a translator ( i studied thai at university) and feel i will help give something back to chaiya, which i think few people can do in more established arts where all that was done long ago. i cant wait to learn more and become better and inturn, teach others to spread chaiya.

can we forgive and move on? chaiya is a beautiful martial art, lets celebrate it, forget the idiots who say its better than all others. as we all know, no art is better than another, its just the practitioner. i beseech you, stop the slagging off. its just not very nice.

[george stando]

READ the threads carefully on this forum and see the damage done repeatedly by students of all three so called masters.

You are doing more damage to "beautiful chaiya" by slamming into forum after forum spamming them with your "everyone is negative" instead of intelligently looking at WHY everyone is negative? Do you get that? Or do i need to explain that again.

You came on here starting a war saying we are negative against an art you dont understand or cant possibly understand after a few months. You want a war then its on.

Something a great master told me train more and talk less. He meant really talk less shit. Chaiya talks endless shit.

You got alot of balls coming on here with hardly any training TELLING US we dont understand when you dont understand.

Now you are calling me a keyboard bully. I am not a keyboard bully, go prove yourself in the ring like i did. Stop your bull now!

[george stando]

Kyuss just sent me your thread on martialtalk.com

Muay Chaiya, Muay Boran - Page 2

Whats today lets spam the internet with chaiya nonsense day??

What is wrong with you? You are spamming every forum now. Do you think thats right???? Are you understanding now the general low view of chaiya came from the chaiya people themselves now??? or are you so dense that you cant empty your cup.

[Ianchaiya]

ok sorry guys. guess you cant do discussion, just attack. sorry for trying.

i just dont understand how me, new here, new to chaiya am held responsable for all the idiots who have gone about how much better chaiya is to everything else. i cant say anything right so its best not say anything any else. youre either all internet trolls or real nasty people. good day to you.

and im not spamming, i just for to talk about the martial art i practise, that why i came here. why have forums if you can chat? this is really crazy.

[Ianchaiya]

ok sorry guys. guess you cant do discussion, just attack. sorry for trying.

i just dont understand how me, new here, new to chaiya am held responsable for all the idiots who have gone about how much better chaiya is to everything else. i cant say anything right so its best not say anything any else. youre either all internet trolls or real nasty people. good day to you.

and im not spamming, i just for to talk about the martial art i practise, that why i came here. why have forums if you can chat? this is really crazy.

[george stando]

You are not discussing anything. Your first posts on both forums was an attack on why people were negative to chaiya and an outright attack on us on this forum. We answered you and provided you with years of threads on this forum to read. Did you read them? No. Did you try to understand the problem? No. You are spreading lies saying there are only three masters of chaiya? No one in thailand and i lived and trained in thailand FOR YEARS knows that statement is not true and will laugh in your face. You are part of a cult because only a cult member would believe a lie. Now when you find out there are more genuine elder masters of chaiya will you come back to forum and say hey my teacher lied to me but i am a cult member and i just folllow him blindly. We are trying to help you here.

You are just a beginner for chrissakes train for a few years and understand the style before spreading false gospel.

You are like the 50th poster boy for why people SHOULDNT get involved in CHAIYA. Thank you for providing further evidence for all those people out there who read these threads.

[Ianchaiya]

are you saying your not being negative???

[george stando]

Yes, i am negative in reponse to the deluge of chaiya practiitoners that have continually talked shit and psread negativity over the years from all the schools. The thing is here you are wrong and spreading a lie by saying there are only three chaiya masters left. Its a lie and you need to be called on it. Do you understand that?

You came on here with 1 thread criticizing us for our opinions based on our years of training and competing. You started the negativity and now you cant handle the heat so get out of the kitchen.

You are continuing the negative tradtion of chaiya on this forum for all to see then throwing it back on us.

Its one of the chaiya principles spin it around and always say the other person is the bad one.

You are the one now giving another bad face to chaiya by denying the truth and spreading lies.

Take responsibility for your actions like a man and stop acting like a child.

Chiaya guys on various forums have emailed me called me and threatened me. I put up with enough shit. It was all hollow bullshit from big mouths. I dont take to that kindly. Would YOU like some morons coming up to you and threatening you for your opinions then they run away like cowards. Thats my experience with chaiya. Not the same as yours, huh? what? i cant have an opinion and so what if its negative, its based on EXPERIENCE.

Spend a few years training then enlighten us.

[Ianchaiya]

whats this about a cult? what is wrong with you? why so keen to fight? i said i want to talk about chaiya, not fight about it. ok maybe there are more than 3 masters, i've been told otherwise but thats not big deal. i JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT MARTIAL ART AND MY MARTIAL ART IS CHAIYA. please please please please please X100000 stop. i dont want to fight. if i know so little, enlighten me, dont say i know nothing, im an idiot and im in a cult. i want to chat, share stories, share how i progress etc etc. i dont want to fight

someone as obviously annoyed you, and i dont want to add to that so i apologise that i did (cos i must have done). but i really came onto these forums to talk, not to fight. is that so wrong?

do you still live in bkk? where do u live? what do you do here? train or just work? for me i came out here to work after i finished my degree in thai at leeds university in england. seems a great chance to train dont you think? please lets share experiences and not fight about them.

[george stando]

READ the thread. Can you read? How can you be part of a forum if you dont read.I explained the cult phenomena in chaiya very clearly as evidenced by your actions and tons of others over the years. You dont listen but insist on being heard. And why are bringing back a thread from over a year ago maybe a year and half ago unless you want to antagonize and start trouble???

Read the numerous threads and attacks from chaiya cult members then comment from there why this negativity has developed and why it will only get worse over time.

If you know so little why cant you accept that people dont care for chaiya. Its someones experience. You like it but you just started so do your research and train hard. I cant see how much you have to say at this point outside of you practice basics everyday.

[kyuss]

Look ianchaiya if you wanted a peaceful entry why did you bring up an explosive thread from long ago. There have been problems with chaiya people physically challenging people, sending emails, calls to people like myself and george then vanishing when called onit. Their track record is bad, very bad. You should do yourself a favor and read the threads so you can see the problems.
You should have joined the forum and just talked about yourslef and whatever., You pulled up a thread and called people on negativity and such which is not the case at all. The negativity is a constant source from chaiya and we react to it.Hopefully you will understand that and read all the threads here and on other boards to understand the root of the problem. if you dont you are going to bear the brunt of years of bad attitude from chaiya holier than thou people/Also what are you gonna tell us that a million others havent told us before some of us have had chaiya training too in thailand, so dont discount that. if you do you are being very, very negative against others experiences.

[Ianchaiya]

im sorry chaiya people have pissed you off. they are not true chaiya luksit because a true luksit must be humble and respect other arts. i apologise on their behave and hope you can quench your anger of them and the chaiya system. if you still live in bkk, i invite you to dinner so i can apologise in person because i believe their actions are, as you said, damaging to the art. i agree with you on many points, i truly do.

lets start again.

i, ian from england, have just started muay chaiya. from my experience i really like it. others may not share the same idea as me, but for me, its good. i really like my teacher, he seems a really nice guy. my girlfriend will also be studying with me. shes a black belt in tkd and a very good fighter. i told kru mud i will help translate his notes into english cos most of the stuff that has been translated is not very accurate. i studied thai at uni so have a pretty good grasp of the language. i feel i can do a lot to help my master and will do my best to do so. i hope i will do well and make him proud of me.

[Ianchaiya]

kyuss, your point is very vaild. i came here cos someone gave me the link to argue why i shouldnt practise chaiya i think you will agree was stirring on their behave. i took the bait and let a flurry of angryness-ness on me. i can truly say im sorry for opening old wounds and will do my best to repair the reputation of chaiya, even it takes me years and i do it single-handily. i apologise.