The Chaiya Grape Kool Aid

[george stando]

The problem is from thailand and the teachers. Trust me. I dont personally like any of them. They are all manipulating and pushing propaganda through the students.

I dont blame you ian but if someone in your class sent you here to start trouble then he is seriously misguided and thats a bad atttidue. That bad attitude is throughout chaiya. Every single post has been just that. If the teachers dont slap that down then they are root of the evil. One of the people who started a firestorm was from chaiya wanarat so you might want to look into that.

I appreciate your honesty. But i would start another thread, This thread is about chaiya and the chaiya kool aid and the all the things we have exposed about chaiya. I want people to use this as a resource to see the bad attitude and the things that have transpired over the years with chaiya people specificially coming from the teachers.

No chaiya teacher is going to push or bully any of us. No matter how good you think they are and you send that message right back to thailand. No one is going to get pushed around here in any manner i promise you that.

[kyuss]

I think starting another more positive thread is in your best interest. I stand behind george, no more chaiya bullying or lies on this forum. This thread is probably the most honest, hard fought thread i have ever seen on any forum on any martial art. It is simply about truth and exposing lies. You should appreciate the people who contributed and fought back against the chaiya people even with getting threatened and calling them on those threats. But enough is enough. You can try and fix it but keep the attitude down.

[Ianchaiya]

i see your point. i just dont neccessarily agree with it. and no one from my class sent me here, twas someone from martialtalk.

maybe i dont know my master yet (i can say i dont yet, i've only had a few conversations with him) but hes not a bad guy and i dont see him pushing any propaganda. its the students in my opinion. on the thai forums kru lek's and kru mud's students are constantly fighting over the smallest things. i wouldnt put it past them to do the things you say they do.

i agree the teachers should slap down on thier students, but theres a massive language and cultural barrier which really does cause quite a void in the teacher-student relationship. i believe thats where i can help. im no expert, but thailand was my focus of study at uni and i;ve had a lot of experience. i understand the thai way (as illogical and silly as it may seem to us). i want to help, i want this art to be respected and there are many people out there who are working art to do so.

i ask you to ignore those idiots, i wager a lot of them never really understood the teachings of chaiya (if they did we wouldnt have this problem!). but the problem is the people, not the art. no one is perfect, my master cant be perfect, but hes no bully.

so i say again (and i will start a new thread if its welcome), to talk about chaiya as a martial art, not about the idiots who may or may not understand/pracitse it. i will do my best to prove to you that those who practise it are not all idiots, i dont believe i am! and again i apologise to those who have annoyed people here, i too feel ashamed there are such luksit saying such things.

[Ianchaiya]

tant, in the interest in keeping civil, its best i ignore your accusation of being a 'chaiya zelot'. i think by now its been established i just walked into a mine field wearing very big shoes!!

[george stando]

I see your point too and dont agree with much it.

I lived and trained full time in thailand for years and in brazil. I continue to train, so i understand culture barriers, language,etc. Thats why i was able to expose the lies about chaiya. I know people in thailand who communicate to me what is going on behind the scenes. So in time if you are inside you will see the problems more closely and more intimately.

The three teachers are fighting over ego and money. They all think they are superior to the other and they disgrace the art and the elder teachers and spread lies like they are the only remaining masters. Not true by a long shot. Come back to this forum and on this thread when you find out that truth. Its the TEACHERS who are the problem and in time you will see that. All this behaviour was brought up in thailand to each teacher and they ignored it. I know because i sent these threads over to thailand each time it happened then i realized the scumbags were the teachers for not stopping it. You cant say that isnt the truth because we experienced it. I sent the threatening emails over too. In traditional arts, if the teacher is true and respectable, he would never let the students run off like that. But those thai teachers do and continue to rant on with their websites and charging big money to gulliable foreigners. Thats the TRUTH. You can deny it and whatever but that is what it is. Fully exposed here in detail.

You repair the reputation of chaiya by telling the truth, Every single post from every single of the so called three great masters has been filled with lies and endless selling commerce. Read the threads. Every single teacher sent their people here to start trouble. EVERY SINGLE TEACHER and every single one got sent packing.

We are not lying, cheating or deceiving here. This is a pure honest forum. The best of the best.

Start another thread on chaiya and we'll leave you be. We are higher ground here I trained with the very best people in the world and i wont be bullied but i am also not stupid or brainwashed. You can proceed most easily by starting another thread. I want to keep this thread on this specific topic if you dont mind.

I am showing you the best courtesy and truth I can. There you go do with it what you wish. but be warned we are going battle tooth and nail against any flights of fancy, lies or bullshit here. So if thats your agenda go to some other forum and save yourself the trouble.

[Ianchaiya]

thank you kindly sir now i must sleep. its 1am here and i wake at 7 to look after my 2year olds at my kindergarten school. then off for very sweaty training and probably getting caught in yet another massive storm. weather in bkk right now is immense!

[george stando]

i like the word zealot...i think you have to earn an erasure maybe reformed zealot over time?

[Ianchaiya]

i think you've made your point, mate. lets not keep this going. i'm no zealot. end of.

[george stando]

Dont keep pushing me, ian. I say what I WANT to say and when i want to say it. You are not even member yet of this forum and you think you are going to get star treatment or something. Start another thread if you want to discuss chaiya. I TOLD YOU THIS A MILLION TIMES. i have expressed clearly my points here and said start another thread to discuss what you wish. Read the posts and stop arguing with me. Respect is earned not given. Show us your are intelligent by your actions and stop arguing.

[kyuss]

listen ian, get off this thread for your own good you are just a child going into the lions den. George is being very nice to you especially since hes been here a million times with arrogant others. Start another thread like he offered if you got something to say, this thread is for exposing lies and falsehoods in chaiya if your remain here you are putting a target on your back. Listen for once.

[kyuss]

Good post, tant01! A zealot until proven otherwise. Only fair i think!

[tenzen]

I can't believe this has pooped back into the radar. Not to mention I missed all of the action. I love giving these chaiya guys the verbal beatdown. George your the man.

[george stando]

HI tenzen
Can you believe its still going on? Its like another fool drinks the kool aid and it starts all over again. Check out the martialartsplanet thread too kyuss linked over to, wasnt aware that it was thriving on other forums too. Its gotta be the full moon.

[tenzen]

Its amazing how potent that kool aid is. It seems you don't even have to drink it, the smell alone fries the brain and logical reasoning ability of these guys. Its good to know that more people out there know the bs within chaiya and can stop these guys propaganda attempts expediently. They handled the situation over on mp right away, they pulled their card.

[george stando]

Now the great ianchaiaya and his twisted love of chiaya has found a new thread on martial talk to sprout his wisdom,

Muay Chaiya, Muay Boran

pretty pathetic for a guy with a few months training trying desperately to make his teacher famous thus rubbing the gold dust all over his own body and passing the kool aid out for all those who want a sip.

For those out there who think its US getting on these guys, do yourself a favor and look at the situations they brought into martialtalk and into martialartsplanet and check out the outcome for each. Different forums, different people, same arguments over and over. They never contribute to forums outside their own ego rants and show up with one post on each forum simply to start trouble or advertise. Each time they lose horribly because all their stuff is based on ego, manipulation and lying.