Kun Khmer Book Review

[george stando]

Been getting a lot of email from people who found my email. Unlike the other threads where i was threatened with hollow threats, these emails have been crazy enthusiastic. I think people especially those in the MMA scene and who have fought know what is going on here and they see it as clearly as we see it. Its all a set up for gracefool spin. You go where the competition is and you grow and challenge yourself. You can see the guy is fighting continuously yet states there is no competition-- when you are in hard contests you need rest and recoup then get back into training(when you are a competitor who fights in the real world)yet the super dork doesnt need that. I guarantee you the next thing you see is he is fighting for some ridiculous title. So dorkman says he has no opponents and he is only a beginner not ready to step up but he is teaching people mma/grappling(which is insanely ridiculous) and there is no competition then suddenly there will be a title shot he didnt earn or deserve so he can write some bogus black belt article that is pure bullshit. Graceffo is just a child of the game and about ten years behind the times (his age is showing)so we'll narrate this for those wise enough to listen.

[Johntlp]

..................and I thought your new found success was due to your conrad reference :-)

You know for sure the dork is going to try to manipulate a win for some kind of title without fighting any real qualified opponents. Its the wall street in him, no integrity.

[george stando]

Best Moment is when the dork says everybody is always talking shit on the internet. But he is the one always talking shit continuously and bragging about his "wins"--
The only shot he is a contender for is the biggest dork in martial arts history title that is now within his greasy grasp.

[kyuss]

This is telling, G. Because he talks it everyday through his sites and we just express our opinions bouncing off the rubbish he puts out. So how can he complain about us and this forum. It all generates from him and his publicity machine. Nobody here is making any claims or building up these fabricated lies that are being exposed one by one.....IT STARTS WITH HIM AND ENDS WITH HIM.

[kyuss]

quote of the week from graceffo the dork
"I may sleep on a floor every night, but I decide when I sleep, how I sleep and what time I wake up. And I wouldn’t trade that freedom for air-conditioning."
Does this sound like a 45 year old man or your 12 year old brother or cousin? How much more pathetic can an individual get? Its not like he is on some crusade or doing anything serious because he is not working and making a living for himself. The dork is living on the floor of the gym because he has no money and no career. Thats the only reason. He can buff it and polish it anyway he likes with his dork speak but thats the only reality here.

[Tee Sok]

This is sad, I hope he will wake up one day.
Also, the monk tradename is a disgrace. Why on earth does he call himself a monk? A monk leads a life of austerity and service, help and charity WITHOUT showing off. It seems to me he only wants to serve his own image.

[Johntlp]

Stupidity of the week from the mouth of the gracefool
“Cage potato”, someone who sits around watching MMA all day. And by extension, someone who makes rude comments on MMA youtube videos, but would himself, never fight."
Answer: Why post vids of your horrible fights if you dont want comments. If you boast, keep trying to promote yourself then you are open to comments both pro and con. The more you read the fool the more you realize how out of touch with reality he is. Anyone who has fought and i know most people who are on this thread fought alot knows everyone has a comment and if you want to boast about being something and you keep putting stuff up you are going to get negative comments.
The second thing is the dork keeps saying people are calling him out, he is making a wrestling show out of it. Who even cares about him? The main thing is he keeps saying he wont step up to fight harder competition because of lack of experience but he has fought previously i assume from his boasts in "boxing" and some form of "kickboxing", i have to put the quotes because its what he says and truth is not his strong suit. So if he has previous fighting experience and now mma experience and he is fighting green opponents thats why the fights look the way they do.
my new term: Gracefool is the "cage dork" a dork trying to make himself believe at 45 he is somewhere in life without any direction to go.

[kyuss]

Interesting thread on sherdog more of the same nonsense but they referenced our thread and this came out of it

-San Kim Saen's Bokator is the one that is probably made up since no one can vouch for it. He tricked eager Cambodian teenagers into thinking it was the real ancient art. He has achieved great success in doing so.
When I showed my father a video clip of it, he was puzzled and told me,"That isn't Boran Khmer."
I showed him a video of Kawmyot and he commented,"Yes, that is Boran Khmer."
Then he told me of the 12 maes and 8 tvear system. This is coming from my father, who doesn't keep up with Cambodian news at all.

This is the exact same thing happening to elder Cambodians around the world. Khmers are shocked and puzzled everywhere when they see Bokator.
Many are outraged at what San Kim Saen has done to ruin our image and the world's trust. He has promoted a never before seen martial arts and called it Bokator, which is Cambodian Eskrima. ---

The whole thread is pretty nuts but you check it here(its yet another system trying to prove to be the mother of thai boxing)

Kawmyot (Yuthakun Khöm) Ancient Martial Arts and mother of Muay Thai - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

[george stando]

The sherdog thread just shows the amount of insanity going on. The kid is so lost and misguided but he refuses to look at the situation beyond what he is told by uneducated and obvious manipulators who want him to be their mouthpiece.
Again the word revival came up by his own admission, so we know what that means. We are making it up, pulling it together to sell to the people stupid enough to believe us. The threads help educate people away from this utter garbage.
They know nothing about thailand and muay thai yet they continue to say they are inventors, innovators based on some minimal evidence, no training,no research and no reality approaches.
Sad so very sad.

[Tee Sok]

Thanks for the link, I liked the Kawmyot video in there. Some nice and simple techniques. Interesting the ground techs aimed at quick endings only.
Your father is like a voice from the past setting things straight!

[kyuss]

that cambodian stuff is not the father of anything. The techniques are nice but mostly modern era stuff not war art etc.
Now the backstepping has begun, they certainly teaching cowardice, lack of research and reality as a part of Kawmyot we know from this:
"I wouldn't say we're trying to prove anything. I said many times... it's up to the individual on whether they would believe it or not. There's no evidence except the bas reliefs in Angkor.
We're simply trying to clear up the whole Bokator mess.
He is supposedly the only master left. Odd how it's only HE who knows of it."

The father is telling him also this system is real when its just another bokator revival and the kid said revival on the thread. So the father is as lost as the rest trying to sell these systems. This thread is about reading between the lines and reality so its all there once again.

[Johntlp]

What is going on here? Does anyone find it strange that someone can make all these crazy claims and write this and that but when challenged these people go berserk like they are above criticism? It is it just that people lack intelligence? What is happening? You can see on the sherdog thread, they attacked the guy asking the questions about the claims. They should applaud and follow the lead. The cambodian guy was saying all things he couldn't back up in any intelligent manner but people believe it just because he says it. Is it just they want to believe it and dismiss all the ridiculous claims that don't add up? Is this why graceffo can write a book and not investigate the history, then ignore where it came from and just say this is the real bokator and i am a black krama and that is that. Because thats the situation that is happening. Now we see Black Belt and all these other people standing behind it. Its beyond belief and just crazy to me.

[Tee Sok]

Kyuss the lack of punctuation! I thought you were talking about your father with the "my father" and that he was talking about his own experience in the past.
I didn t go throughthe whole sherdog thread so I messed that up.

[george stando]

John, its baffling isnt it? But you can see from the massive forum interaction over the years that people truly believe things like the chaiya grape kool aid, the gracekool-aid, and if you ask questions you will be attacked even though the stuff they post and write about is the problem and mostly rubbish. Worse part is when people ask you- why you are so angry when you challenge their poor statements like they are above harsh criticism for their antics.
Who is angry on this forum or any other of the forums? I saw the one post john mentions where they told the guy on sherdog to chill out. Chill out for what? He was bringing the points up, telling the kid to research and look into what he is saying. What style anyway is the dudes on the bas relief fighting each other with? Bokator? Does any cambodian know? Don't think so. So how can that be proof of anything. its proof they did some sort of fighting and the thais were fighting too i am sure of it as they were in Burma at the same time. It could be something that died ages ago and now they point to it as proof.
The cambodians wrestle on the old reliefs from what i was just told and i dont see thais wrestling maybe they did but did they steal that too or did the cambodians steal that shit from india or mongolia or something like that. Did they steal all that khmer stuff from india including Bokator?Thats the most important part why is this ignored as john says. And why suddenly are all these styles popping up now in 2012 with usually guys living in america organizing all their classes, with websites and making these claims about thai sutff?

[kyuss]

Sorry about that tee sok! writing too fast had to run to class.
over 3,000 views and not one comment from the outside. How interesting is that?