Spin the Bottle???

[William]

I felt like starting this thread because of a comment or two about spinning moves made in the WOULD YOU TRAIN HERE thread.

I have never been a big fan of spinning moves myself until Chalambok showed me one that comes off of a shin block to a round kick. I LIKE IT A LOT. I also came up with a variation of it that comes off of a jab. The beauty of it is that your elbow strike, which is the outcome of the move, (see Muay Thai Sucks??? in the MMA forum) doesn't come from a horizontal direction. It comes down vertically from over the top. It's almost impossible to block effectively. There is just too much power coming down, and you won't have the structure or strength to stop it. Deflect it maybe if you are very quick.

Also, I used to rent video taped fights from Thailand every week from a little Thai market back in Portland. There were actually quite a few knock outs from spinning moves. Two that come to mind right off the bat:

Fighter A throws a high right round kick towards his opponents neck.
Fighter B (they are close to the ropes) leans back into the ropes and the kick just misses.
Fighter A continues his momentum and comes around again with a spinning left horizontal elbow and catches B in the side of the face as he bounces back off the ropes. B crumples to the ground out cold.

The other one:
Fighter A gets knocked to the ground with an elbow. The ref pushes fighter B across the ring.
Fighter A gets back up (acting like he's out of it).
Fighter B rushes in to finish A off.
Fighter A wobbles toward B. As B gets close, A drops his head a body to the right and comes around with a right reverse vertical elbow and catches B square in the face. B crumples to the ground out cold.

Spinning moves have their place, you just have to be adept and know when to use them.

Comments?

William

[terry]

A lot of the guys from Thailand aren't used to spinning lines. But if you spend some time with them on how to see them and counter them then spinning becomes much less of a useful tool. See the knee break on Kitsandra vs. Rick Roufus in which Rick Roufus throws one too many spin kicks. Ouch!

While we're on the subject of spinning moves, I like the one where you bend over and spin around 15 times and then come up and try to throw a Thai kick. Kind of simulates the disorientation you get when you get knocked a good one in the head.

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[mike]

Terry-


My instructor showed us that when he got back from the chicago Ajarn Chai seminar. He had the TKD instructor who we share space with try it out, and when he stood up to throw his kicks he fell over.


thanks,


Mike

[William]

BTW, I was refering mainly to elbow techniques, not kicking.

While we're on the subject of spinning moves, I like the one where you bend over and spin around 15 times and then come up and try to throw a Thai kick

I like that one too. Try it in the morning right after a bowl of Coco Puffs.

Huh????

William

[chalambok]

Years ago when I seemed to be getting hassled a lot for having long hair, Master Chai showed me his "5 Guaranteed Moves". Number 1 was to block a round kick with your opposite leg, shin to thigh, then using your momentum to follow through with a spinning back elbow thrown downward into the opponent's face/throat/upper chest area. After that, if necessary, you simply grab the neck with the elbowing arm/hand and follow with a curve knee to the face. I can personally guarantee the efficacy of this movement, hasn't failed me yet. An important thing to remember about muay Thai, along with the various styles, is there is also street muay Thai and ring muay Thai, and sometimes they are counter-intuitive to each other.