Muay Thai/ Kick Boxing

[jonbid]

What is the difference beteen Thai KickBoxing, Muay Thai, KickBoxing and I just wondered is Thai Bo different or just short Thai Bo - xing? A lot of people seem to find MuayThai tougher or is it a different version of kick boxing? Are the rules different or are there some different rules regarding knees elbows?

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[robertlee]

Tae bo is a exersise or condition training with m/a like cardio exersises. thai boxing from thailand. Its not that it is tougher then other arts. It has hands on ring training. With elbows knees. and strong round kicks. Conditioning the tools and useing them make it adaptible. That is why it works well . The thai rounkick is powerful and damageing. But it has to be trained. As a contact stand up way thai boxing rates high in being effective. But any way that stresses hands on and contact will progress. If your not in shape for a thai fighter he can give you some pain.

[HuSanYan]

Hi jonbid

a good question.
Firstly, let me say that the various forms of boxing are not my area of expertise but as far as I can see the following are the main differences between KB & MT, (anyone please correct me if I am wrong).

KB is basically as it's name suggests, boxing with kicking, the kicking is usually done with the feet as opposed to using the shins as in MT. I believe that there are a lot of spinning kicks and punches in KB and as far as I know, elbows and knees are not usually allowed.

MT is considered a bit more brutal and is also known as the 'science of 8 limbs' a MT fighter will have to go thru a hell of a lot of extensive shin conditioning to the point of increasing bone density and de-sensitization of the nerves as the famous MT roundhouse kick is delivered by the shin and NOT the foot. Under full Thai rules, elbow strikes and knee strikes are allowed to the head (ouch and ****ing ouch again!!).

These are some of the differences that I am aware of and I hope that some of the regular guys on this forum will be able to elaborate a bit more as this is not my own Martial Art.

I hope this is of some help.
HSY

[jonbid]

thanks

well i seem to be learning quite a lot on this forum. At the moment i am learning KickBoxing... (do you "LEARN " a martial art?) and we are tought how to use knee strikes and elbow strikes, i am not sure if they are allowed in tournaments, i dont pretend to know any rules, but we are tought them.

For example we are tought t grab the back of the neck, or when an oponent is leaning forward to strike down on the base of the neck with the elbow.

I wonder is this allowed in KickBoxing tournaments? I assume it is a USA Kickboxing but I am not sure...

[da_mill]

if knees and elbows are allowd it is Muay Thai

I don't think that you'd be taught them if you werent allowed to use them?

Grabbing them with both arms is going into the clinch, which sets up for knees whilst holding the opp.

Never seen anyone lean forward whilst mting? but if they were, elbow them in the back of the head/neck and then start kneeing them lol

[jonbid]

I am not sure on this but i think our teacher, what is the propper name for a kickboxing instructor, is it master, sensai or something, anyway i think he divides our learning into 3 sections:

1, is for grading, the "proper" way to perform a move
2, is for tournaments, the best way to do a move
3, is for the street, how to adapt moves

I am not sure but he teaches us how to change moves for self defense. I like this way of teaching but is it strictly a good way of learning?

[kh_s]

heh

Well my school combines the two arts, Muay Thai and kickboxing. Does it even matter combining the two arts together? and does it even make any difference ? Kickboxing, I know nothing about it, but i heard they use a lot of snap kicks. (its why I don`t like to train as a kickboxer) and MT, all I know is that it is a kick ass art and teaches you how to HIT HARD, and when I mean hard I mean so hard that you can beat someone to death !

[da_mill]

I dont know a lot about KickBoxing but isnt it a points/sparring kidna thing?

in MT you are always told to kick through the opp/line, not snap kick. (that is for martial arts lol)

The instructor for a MT class is called a Kru

[JIMI]

By the way TAE BO!!! has nothing to do with Thai Boxing. TAE =meaning tae kwon do, BO= meaning boxing. TAE BO is a queer off breeding of a aerobic excersize that incorporates TAE KWON DO flippy kicks and boxing. Real MUAY THAI is totally different including kicks, punches, kness, elbows. KICKBOXING, has at least 10 more different style kicks and allows no knees, no elbows, no kicks to the legs, and hardly focuses on the boxing. In my mind kickboxing refers to more of a french SAVATE style of fight.

[jonbid]

ok so i have figured that Tae Bo is not a real martial art. So why does my KickBoxing teacher/master/instructor??? teach us how to knee strike and elbow attacks? I know that these are not allowed in KickBoxing and only in Muay Thai, but this is not a muay thai class. Is this just an instructor showing us the moves to help us in a self defense situation?

I'm getting to like this forum, quick learning curve

[DJ Coldfusion]

Originally posted by jonbid
ok so i have figured that Tae Bo is not a real martial art. So why does my KickBoxing teacher/master/instructor??? teach us how to knee strike and elbow attacks? I know that these are not allowed in KickBoxing and only in Muay Thai, but this is not a muay thai class. Is this just an instructor showing us the moves to help us in a self defense situation?

It is difficult to say what your instructors motivations are . . . you should ask him.

There are kickboxing styles that use knees and elbows. Benny Urquidez's system Ukidokan is one example of this type of a system.

Kickboxing rules and limitations vary vastly from promotion to promotion and state/country to state/country. Some allow elbows and knees and some don't. I think this is as much a result of legislative restrictions as it is a result of stylistic limitations.

Generally Jimi's description is accurate, with regional acceptions.

[Brian]

For What It's Worth

I'm no authority just a guy who enjoys studying the arts.

But the way it was put to me was this.

Thai Boxing refers to the art of Muay Thai. Thai Boxing involves the technical aspects... how to kick, punch, knee, elbow, move, defend, evade so on and so forth.

When you are in a camp/school, learning and practicing, you are a Thai Boxer.

When you step into the ring, perform the Wai Khru/Ram Mauy and Fight... you are considered a practitioner of Muay Thai.

Kickboxing is something altogether different. However, it is one of those terms that has become so bastardized that the term itself has become somewhat ambiguous.

Back in the day, during Urquidez and Wallace hay day, kick boxing was just that, kicking mixed with boxing. You could not kick below the waist, no knees, no elbows and you had to attempt at least six kicks per round or something like that.

Urquidez might very well incorporate knees and elbows nowadays but I also heard that his undefeated record was somewhat misleading. I've heard stories about Thai's that have blemished his record with losses... I'd be willing to bet that, that is where Urquidez first started thinking about incorporating those aspects (elbows, clinch fighting and knees).

Now you hear guys like ESPN or K-1 calling their stuff kickboxing but they've incorporated a lot of elements from Muay Thai... not that K-1 is a style or a system... and not that incorporating stuff that's useful is a bad thing... just remember that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

b.

[kh_s]

what if...

lets say you are in a school where they incorporate other techniques from other styles with Muay Thai, are you still considered a Thai boxer ?

[jonbid]

Re: For What It's Worth

Originally posted by Brian

just remember that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

b. [/B]

I am not doing this kickboxing becuase i want to imitate thai kickboxing or muay thai, but because it is the closest thing to it. I wish i was able to do muay thai

[Hulk]

Originally posted by jonbid
ok so i have figured that Tae Bo is not a real martial art. So why does my KickBoxing teacher/master/instructor??? teach us how to knee strike and elbow attacks? I know that these are not allowed in KickBoxing and only in Muay Thai, but this is not a muay thai class. Is this just an instructor showing us the moves to help us in a self defense situation?

I'm getting to like this forum, quick learning curve

haha, u must enjoy it, dont you? having only trained for 6 months with no previous MA experience or training... in my kickboxing class, i even learn grappling, takedowns, throws, knees, elbows, also fighting on the ground.... i dont know why, maybe its why my class is called Freestyle Kick Boxing? though, the majority of the students at my club train to fight in competitions.

beside, i think its still good to learn those moves, it might come in handy down the streets... although, remember not to use those moves in the ring and only use authorized techniques.. hehe