Spinning backhand

[Lizard]

Last time I went to thai boxing I was shown how to do a spinning backhand.

I'm a bit obsessed with the move at the moment and keep doing it while watching TV (I'm also obsessed with shin blocks).

Just how effective is this move (Both in the ring and on the street)? Has anyone used it effectively or have any good combos which involve this move?

I was shown to hit with the back of the fist but would a hammerfist be better?

[Nit]

I have been taught a 'spinning backfist' in my classes and have used it in sparring and contact training before.
At my Dojo we have found that the technique looks useful for its speed and power, it can be seen as a good sparring defensive move and a good 'street' move.

In sparring its effective for when your opponent is rushing you into a corner or so, and you give a front snap while retreating, thus 'sucking' your opponent in, you can then turn and avoid and then counter. Timing is essential (as with all spinning techniques) as you are exposed as you turn.

We also practise jumping spinning backfist, as a counter to a sweep or just plain surprise attack. ITs not too effective and quite dangerous (jump high or the foot sweep spins you on your head).

Also I have tried using it as a counter to kicks, it is possible (but likely!?) to dodge a Mae Geri from spinning forwards and punching, if you have skill you can also try to throw your opponent as your legs should now be underneath theirs. Tried this a few times and found that 'my grapping requires further training' (fell on my arse).

In the street, if their off guard I suppose you could damage their melon pretty bad, especially if you swing your arm. I wouldn't try it though, street fights are over so quickly (I've been told) so if your turning your back it should be to run away

[M@T]

Dojo's, Mae Geri's, brings back memories of my Shotokan days.

Oh yes, its all coming back to me now. Mawashi Geri, Ushiro Geri, Hipon Kumite. God knows how i remembered all that after 13 years.

Thats why I prefer kickboxing, we just call it a roundhouse or a reverse punch. We dont leg it from one side of the room to the other screaming ICHI, NI, SAN, SHI, GO either

[M@T]

And spinning backfists have just been banned in the ring as far as kickboxing is concerned or so I heard !

[ryanhall]

Just how effective is this move (Both in the ring and on the street)?

Not. Even if you connect (and you probably won't because you'll miss or be tackled before you get halfway through this motion), your metacarpels will break on skull.

[Thai Bri]

How about if you turn the hand and use the Hammer Fist or Axe hand? I know there is a danger in turning your back on someone, but if you already have them moving backwards under an onslaught would this be wise/useful?

[M@T]

Spinning backfists can be effective. I was downloading loads of UFC stuff off kazaa the other day and there was this bloke who landed a spinning backfist to the temple and the other bloke just collapsed and didnt get back up. He was just rolling round the cage in a complete daze.

[BadgerFu57]

I have seen the same thing as M@T on an IFC fight I think it was. One solid backfist and the other guy was out. But I don't know. Mayhaps we can just end it with a right cross like the boys in the hood?

[Nit]

Originally posted by M@T
Dojo's, Mae Geri's, brings back memories of my Shotokan days.
Oh yes, its all coming back to me now. Mawashi Geri, Ushiro Geri, Hipon Kumite.
We dont leg it from one side of the room to the other screaming ICHI, NI, SAN, SHI, GO either

I have to do this for my next grading... learning the art is hard enough, let alone the japanse!

Renshinzhin jodan, renzuki chudan, surikomi maegeri, mawashigeri, ushirogeri, uraken, gyakuzuki, mawashigeri jodan

Sokuto Fumikomi chudan jodan, mawashigeri fumikomi chudan jodan

ahh yes fingercounting, or what to shout when you don't know what move is next in the technique / pattern / kata

ich, ni, san, shi, goh, roku, sh'chi, hachi, ku, ju...

and don't forget to otogai ni rei on the way out as well...

[JP Prideaux]

flat out my favorite move.

scored MANY knock downs with this technique. Almost knocked a guy out cold using it in a light contact match. No one throws it against me either cos its my signature move and i know how to counter it.

Its even better when you are allowed to use elbows. Range is no problem. If you're too close - then it becomes a vicious spinngin elbow.

Ask about some combos with it sometime. Me and this Kyokushin guy made a loooong list of working spinning attacks into combos for muay thai. Might share a few. But Shhhhh

[Lizard]

So, JP how about sharing some of those precious combos?

I was taught:

Jab
Crass
Left Hook
Spinning backfist

I also made up another combo:

Left elbow
Right elbow (I think it was a "swimming" elbow)
Upward elbow
Spinning back elbow

[Nit]

Block and backfist of same hand, spin advance backfist

front kick, cresent kick (alternate legs), axe kick (same leg) back kick into spinning backfist followed by revese punch and fall over...

jumping cresent kick into backfist

or jumping spinning cresent kick followed by spinning backfist (alternate directions).

Jumping rising spinning reverse roundhouse kick, spinning back kick and reverse leg sweeping jumping into 480 degree inverted split double cresent kick, spinning backfist, backfist, block backfist, Back hand backfist by spinning back-hand backfist, fore-back fist and aft sailor land-ahoy horse-stance anchor foot...

that'll confuse them

[sercuerdas]

spinning back fist is a tool just like left hook or right cross, and some people are more effective with one tool over another. yes it will work if you practice it, but it is not for everyone. personally i never choose to turn my back on my opponent.

[JKDfreak]

I never use any techs that will expose my back to the opponent.
however the spinning backfist can be a useful tool,fun to throw but it misses more often than it scores.Take a look at K-1 Stefan Leko,the spinning backfist is one of his favorite moves,but i never saw him score with this technique,it often slips on the shoulder of the opponent,or he just ducks under.

[M@T]

Originally posted by Lizard

I also made up another combo:

Left elbow
Right elbow (I think it was a "swimming" elbow)
Upward elbow
Spinning back elbow

Sounds interesting. Would you step through with each shot to push your opponent back or do them all on the spot ??