chambering kicks

[BadgerFu57]

Ok, I have been taught kicking from both TKD and MT.

For defense reasons (not ring) which kicks in your opinion or best? I think the chambering take a lot of the power away, and I don't really see the benefit. Any geniuses?

[eXcessiveForce]

chambered kicks are faster and less telegraphic to a kicker if done properly. (note properly not how is often taught) Kicks are snap kicks designed for boney surfaces to release energy in a quick burst and then pull out before the energy transfers back to the striking tool.

MT kicks are slower by nature, much more distance for the striking tool to move. then they hit a soft muscular surface and have a high time on contact and follow though. This create a lot of power and lets in damage muscle and disrupt nerve function.

Both have their place.

Don't want to hit a hip with a Thai kick ask Retired or see his post about breaking his leg.

[Lizard]

That's the difference between a fluid shockwave (MT) and an impulse shockwave (TKD). eXcessiveForce has made this point several times. Sounds sensible to me.

[BadgerFu57]

When is a good time for the use of chambered kicks?

[eXcessiveForce]

Areas that have obsticals. When you want to hit a boney target. When speed is essential.

It's a personaly decision based mostly on your skill level and ability. I like chambered kicks for combinations. And prefer them to Thai kicks. But A Thai kick at the right moment is a great way to take out someone.

[jules]

Don't want to hit a hip with a Thai kick ask Retired or see his post about breaking his leg.

why would you want to kick the hip in the first place? :{

[Nit]

Originally posted by jules


why would you want to kick the hip in the first place? :{

It didn't look like he was aiming there from his thread

[retired]

Yes your right i wasn't aiming for the hip as stated as this would just be silly as it's a hell of a lot thicker than a shin bone however conditioned it is, but aiming for places like the siatic nerve that runs down the side of your leg gives them dead legs or slows them down after hard or multiple hits.

most good fighters can take a good kick to the leg but letting too many in will cause him to struggle or even stop later in the fight (that's why we block to lessen the impact).

[JKDfreak]

I use both Thai and Savate/Jun Fan kicks.I love the round thai kick at the end of a combo or to intercept(push kick).I use sometimes the fouetté from Savate to strike a soft point (liver),but I don't chamber my other kicks.Side kick,round kick,even front kick sometimes,I don't chamber,because it's faster and you have the same power if you have a good understanding of kicking structure.of course if you have to kick over something you have to chamber,but I think a kick should be felt before being seen (to paraphrase Bruce Lee).

[eXcessiveForce]

Yeah I wasn't suggesting retired actually was aiming for the hip.
But with MT kicks the weakest thing will break. That is because the power will rebound. So a MT kick to the Thai damages the muscle and nerves but it cusions the blow to the bone.
Hit the hip and the leg breads. kick a steel post and the leg breaks.

A snap type kick gets less rebound power so it works better for strikes to areas such as the skull or arms..etc. It also allows more focuses pentration into a target depending on the kick. A front snap type kick is better for trying to burst targets such as the liver and spleen than a shin kick. A snap kick to the hip won't damage the hip most likely but it should not break your leg either.

Good thing about MT kicks is they don't have to be pretty, You don't have to rely on targeting as much as with snap kicks.

You do have to watch those hips though Retired.

[BadgerFu57]

So like a TKD roundhouse would be targeted where?

[eXcessiveForce]

TKD round Kicks in a forward facing opponent will go to the following areas.

Brachial Plexus (side of neck)
Temple
behind the ear (boxing knockout point)
floating rib
Thigh (for nerve strike)
Knee


For side facing opponent

Throat/Brachial Plexus
Bridge of nose
Eye
Solar Plexus
Spleen
Sternum/zyphoid process
True Ribs
Liver
Bladder
Knee

Each of those targets are roughly trained to be the size of a quarter or half dollar. Even though Many can be struck in larger areas.

I've probably left a few out but those are the basic ones right off the top of my head.

[hikickinchick]

OK I don't want to sound like a complete beginner, but I really don't have a lot of experience in other MA's...how can you not chamber a kick like roundhouse or side kick? You have to pull back and chamber in order to get the snap out for a roundhouse or the thrust for a side kick. I know that kicks like crescent kick don't chamber, but the way I've always learned, you have to chamber a side kick or roundhouse in order to do it....

[BadgerFu57]

in TKD you chamber, snap, and rechamber. Like a whip sort of.

In MT you swing it like a bat.

[eXcessiveForce]

Most kicks chamber but Badger is right about the difference between MT kicks and TKD (chambered) kicks.

Side kicks pretty much have to chamber to some degree,

Crescent kicks can chamber for (advanced crescents) done with a front kick chamber and crescent from there. Much less telegraphic and easy to fake low and go high if you wanted.