muay thai vs kungfu

[Mookjong5]

Hello Everyone,

I see some people were upset with what I said and I didn't downgrade anybody or anything. Let's get real here. I have studied Muay Thai for 3 yrs. Wing Chun kung fu is based on using force against yourself. It gives you the impression as being a powder puff art but only you get the pak sao applied to you, you might think differently. Wing Chun is an art where you let your opponent beat himself. We aren't fools and trying to go blow for blow against a bigger or stronger advesary is foolish. Thai Boxing is a chest game where only the strong survive. Let me pull a knife and see if the situation changes. Still want to throw your round kick? Don't throw it at my waist, I will more that likely catch it. Many round kicks get caught by their opponents in the ring but the referee saves the day. Sorry but true!! I don't pick fights to test my skills. Sticky hands and sticky legs are there for a purpose. You can say it's a ladies martail art but that's your choice. Thai Boxers are strong and in very good shape but that doesn't ensure victory on the street. The elbows and knees are great close quarter weapons. Even Karate uses them. Decide for yourself what martial art is best for you. Thanks for reading my forum!!


IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

[Damian Mavis]

I'm not going to jump in the argument about street defence but Mookjong5 you have some strange ideas concerning Muay Thai. You stated that if you miss your kick in the ring the ref moves in and saves the day, this is not true. If you miss your kick you better recover immediately or your opponent is going to counter and take you out. You stated that if in the ring your opponent will grab your round kick and then the ref again moves in to save you, this is also completely untrue. When your opponent grabs your round kick he will kick your legs out from under you or punch you in the face. The 2 examples used are both completely legal by Muay Thai rules. The ref does not rush in to stop the fight in either situation.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[IPON]

S.Anucha......funny LOL and right on the mark about the reality of fighting. Hey what is Muay Chao Chur.

Serreda i know what you mean about wingchun....about the motivation but the reality is if you don't have motivation to practice you will not be good in any style.


Personally I do think that wingchun is devestating art and it is hard to find good instructors.

Now I always say you should not judge an art based on the sport because of rules, timelimits, etc...that's true but one point I think should be clear is that ALL fighting/combat sports (including wrestling and boxing) have street or "real world"application. These are fighters that have the most conditioning, reflexes and durability and the mentality and would be the hardest to defeat (generally speaking). MT is a devestating style, I have never studied it, I prefer WC.......but I would not call it weak by any means.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
I'm not going to jump in the argument about street defence but Mookjong5 you have some strange ideas concerning Muay Thai. You stated that if you miss your kick in the ring the ref moves in and saves the day, this is not true. If you miss your kick you better recover immediately or your opponent is going to counter and take you out. You stated that if in the ring your opponent will grab your round kick and then the ref again moves in to save you, this is also completely untrue. When your opponent grabs your round kick he will kick your legs out from under you or punch you in the face. The 2 examples used are both completely legal by Muay Thai rules. The ref does not rush in to stop the fight in either situation.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

You're absolutely right I know this from my own experience in MuayThai fights.

The only time the referee stops a fight is if one of the fighters is bleeding alot and the referee believes the fighter needs to be checked out by peramedics or if one of the fighters gets knocked out or until number of rounds is up.Otherwise it is fight,fight,fight.

It's obvious Mookjong5 has no clue what he is talking about and knows nothing about MuayThai fights yet he claims he studied MuayThai for 3 yrs.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I have yet to see a Wing Chun practitioner that is good at anything but a useless game of patta-cake.

Slappy slap slap slap. Limp Wristed bunch, aren't they?

I agree.

It's funny how some people think that Wing Chun is so great just because it was an art that Bruce Lee originally studied before inventing JKD, yet people do not seem to realize Bruce was more of an actor then a martial artist not to say he wasn't good at martial arts it's just that he wasn't as good as people make him out to be and was more an actor.

Put me in movies with martial arts and speed up every technique I do using camera tricks and I also can look like the best in the world.

[grubbogoppoly]

Lol. .that last post was quite funny mtf and on so many levels.

[Thai Bri]

Correct. As if Bruce Lee could act.

[ajarn farang]

Originally posted by Great Sage


Fire Dragon,

Apparently, you belong to the “church of kung-fu mysticism,” of which I’m not a parisher. I’ve heard all these “death match” stories before and they don’t hold much weight. There’s nothing dangerous about a tai chi guy fighting a crane guy to the death... Which usuallly didn’t result in death, by the way.

Worst yet, we’re always told of how this kung-fu founder could leap walls, defeat 40 men and uproot trees... If this were so, why can’t it be done today? Most of the kung-fu guys I’ve met can’t fight, but are very agile and quick (not including the sanshou guys).

I’m well aware that sanshou has beaten Muay Thai... But these events were under sanshou rules: no knees below the belt and no elbows. I read the review in a martial arts magazine... The sanshou guys won by points (takedowns)... These are as simple as tripping the guy. Also, the judges were suspect. The Thai guys would outbox the sanshou guys, but lose because they were tripped or used elbows (deducted points). But as far as Muay Thai is concerned, sanshou guys seldom beat them.

Great Sage,

You got that last paragraph right. A few months back, there was a televised broadcast here in Thailand of Chinese fighters (I use the term loosely) vs. Thai boxers. The Chinese had nothing; no power in their punches, very seldom threw any kicks. But, because of the rules the Chinese would score points for tripping the Thai boxer. It was a complete farce. The Chinese got the s*** kicked out of 'em, but ended up being declared winners in most of the bouts. Had the scoring been as in regular Muay Thai fights (10 point must), there's no question the Thais would've won every match.

[S.Anucha]

Originally posted by Mookjong5
Hello Everyone,

I see some people were upset with what I said and I didn't downgrade anybody or anything. Let's get real here. I have studied Muay Thai for 3 yrs. Wing Chun kung fu is based on using force against yourself. It gives you the impression as being a powder puff art but only you get the pak sao applied to you, you might think differently. Wing Chun is an art where you let your opponent beat himself. We aren't fools and trying to go blow for blow against a bigger or stronger advesary is foolish. Thai Boxing is a chest game where only the strong survive. Let me pull a knife and see if the situation changes. Still want to throw your round kick? Don't throw it at my waist, I will more that likely catch it. Many round kicks get caught by their opponents in the ring but the referee saves the day. Sorry but true!! I don't pick fights to test my skills. Sticky hands and sticky legs are there for a purpose. You can say it's a ladies martail art but that's your choice. Thai Boxers are strong and in very good shape but that doesn't ensure victory on the street. The elbows and knees are great close quarter weapons. Even Karate uses them. Decide for yourself what martial art is best for you. Thanks for reading my forum!!


IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

Man, haha, I give up with you... honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. Thai Boxing in the competitive form is quite effective in or out of the ring, now there is also the fact that Thai Boxing is a martial art developed during the birth of Siam, they used weapons! In fact in the classes I attend, one day a week we are taught weapon system of Muay Thai which is called Krabi-krabong... knives, swords, batons, anything that cuts and stabs is used in krabi-krabong, remember in the days of Siam it was pitch forks and hoes that were used as weapons. Also it is like a game of chess not chest!

you say : "Thai Boxers are strong and in very good shape but that doesn't ensure victory on the street"

well I say, what does ensure victory on the street is simply being sober, the fact that a street fight is nothing more than an unco-ordinated, uncontrolled and slobbish punch up means that if you use wing chun then obviously you will win, for **** sake I could use tai chi skills on the street and still win! mate take your wing chun to the ring, or better still go to a muay thai gym and ask any of the boxers for a punch up "on the street" of course make sure to let him know that anything goes... wouldnt want the ref stopping the fight for him grabbing your leg or some shit, oh yeah there wont be a ref!

[HuSanYan]

here we go

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I have yet to see a Wing Chun practitioner that is good at anything but a useless game of patta-cake.

Slappy slap slap slap. Limp Wristed bunch, aren't they?

up ya poop shute Thai Bri

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by S.Anucha
Mookjong5!!!

Wow! I havnt read this much bullshit in a long time, lol....


"...I think this is the best fighting system on the planet..."

Wing Tsun is for women! Nah seriously though, at least you think it is and maybe a guy who is strong and really fit and what not can use it very well to defend himself.


"...Muay Thai is a great ring sport but outside the ring..."

its still as formidable inside or outside the ring, I know this for a fact. I dont know what your idea of Muay Thai is but you sure as hell show us that you know jack shit about it.

"...A good side kick at the knees provides a good defense against it keeping the Thai Fighter off balance..."

Another guy who clearly has no experience fighting, a side kick to the knee, man are you joking? a fucking driving roundhouse to the knee will do way more damage when taking into consideration the stance of a muay thai fighter, commonsense tells ya that dude


"...When you are young, Thai Boxing is very attractive. What happens when you start to age, I think you sort of change your way of thinking and realize that brute force won't always win..."

mate who the hell are you??? haha, this is a joke right, you clearly know shit about Muay Thai or Muay Chao Chur. there are many older practitioners, younger ones tend to fight competitively as when your young its better, when you're old training in Muay Thai is no problem, master sken, master toddy etc etc, my trainers, dude shut up you know not what you speak... where do you get all this information from and what bloody age are you and how long have you been studying martial arts for?

Mate I am 27 years old and have been doing Thai Boxing for almost 7 years, I am planning on fighting professionally very soon and have no plans to stop training in Muay Thai when i get older, maybe stop fighting when I reach 33 or 35 but training not until I am in a wheel chair buddy!

sorry to sound annoyed but its these kinds of comments that piss me off, complete ignorance, bruce lee studied Muay Thai, western boxing and wing chun! JKD is basicly a mixture of all 3 and maybe more that I am not aware of.

Muay Thai is very effective in a street situation, mate if I was you I'd fear more the ring fighter than the average joe bloggs on the street who decides to start a fight with ya, really, take my word for it, any trained ring fighter will dominate any one on one street fight, even 2 on oine maybe even 3 on one if the dickwabs are that pissed, whats your idea of a street fight, some skinny junked up faggot holdin you up looking to score a buck to buy his herion... pfft!!! man what fucking planet you on? Street fighters are fucking dick heads usually who cant fight and have no control whatsoever so even if you do beat them up its no achievment, believe me, any knob end with enough balls could beat up someone who isnt trained! beer guts, bad cardo fitness, no strength and 9 times out of 10 they are drunk whichg makes it even easier.... dude a street fighter neither scares me or gives me the heebie geebies!

I can garuantee that even if you know a lot of wing chun and one night you and your mate who is also trained in wing chun are walking home and 3 big ugly mean looking dudes jump out, sober, angry and with fucking crazy looks on their faces, you know the type, the British football hooligan type, mate I am talking serious guys who will cut you up as quick as they'd look at ya, guys who'd scare the shit out of ya cos these guys have served time before for cutting someone maybe even killing someone in the past, these guys are fucking serious and will go through anything if it gets in their way, would you do your fancy wing chun on them? I fucking doubt it big guy! I reckon you'd piss yer pants then turn and run, running is the best form of defense cos at least you know you can run quicker than them.... if you cant run then pray to god you dont get cut on your face cos no amount of martial arts will prepare you for that experience in life, and that is reality mate none of this bullshit crap you'd get taught in some martial arts class by a "sensie" or whatever, I mean say what you want bro, like I know you'd simply do a hairy kairy followed by a mountain kills the water rushing through the cliff face move followed with a super duper flying kick to the head then youd grab the nasty vermin by the ears and head butt him but you'd probably use... oh hang on, forget that you'd use the secret killing touch, the death touch then you kill them all and skip merilly home with you friend holding his hand! I wish I was a shalion monk! those sexy balding heads and stuff, looks real mean and stuff.

LOL.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally agree with everything you just said except for maybe with the bald heads being sexy.

Mookjong5!!! really has no clue what the **** he is talking about.

[Mookjong5]

wow!! I never could have imagined how desperate people would go just to prove they are right. The profanity is just so uncalled for. To me it's a desperate thing when defeat is imminent. There is no right or wrong. For all you non-believers, let me set the record straight. Kung Fu was designed as a street defense art and not a ring sport. Naturally, if you put a Kung Fu fighter in a ring he's set up for failure already. In Wing Chun, we practice what we call the Bil Jee (Thrusting Fingers). I don't know if had fingers in the groin, eyes, ears, nose, throat, etc, but it's a fight stopper. In the ring, I can't do that because it's illegal. Let me do that in the ring and let's see the outcome. Maybe the results will be a little different. Wing Chun practicioners favor the Vertical Punch which may seem like a power puff punch until you get rocked by it. Seasoned Wing Chun practitioners can deliver 3 to 4 punches before a some fighters can execute the jab and cross. Wing Chun has been proven on the streets. I'm not saying Muay Thai hasn't but the big launching round house that misses may spell disaster on the streets. In Wing Chun, we practice the Sticky Leg to counter kicks. We don't use our hands to block kicks unless we have too. Just because I study Wing Chun, doesn't make me unstoppable. Running is still the best thing to do when a fight is brewing. Muay Thai is an excellent martial art and I'm sure there are fighters out there who can use the art to protect themselves on the streets but taking it from the ring to the streets isn't an easy thing to do if you don't practice. But for those who criticize, do you really want to challenge a Wing Chun figher? I highly doubt it of it's not for points. I hope the people who read this realize that is just my opinion and I stand by my practice just like all of you would do the same. Please feel free to email me and share your opinions. There is no right or wrong martial art. I enjoy learning from other people. Thanks!!



[B]IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by Mookjong5
[B]wow!! I never could have imagined how desperate people would go just to prove they are right. The profanity is just so uncalled for. To me it's a desperate thing when defeat is imminent. There is no right or wrong. For all you non-believers, let me set the record straight. Kung Fu was designed as a street defense art and not a ring sport. Naturally, if you put a Kung Fu fighter in a ring he's set up for failure already. In Wing Chun, we practice what we call the Bil Jee (Thrusting Fingers). I don't know if had fingers in the groin, eyes, ears, nose, throat, etc, but it's a fight stopper. In the ring, I can't do that because it's illegal. Let me do that in the ring and let's see the outcome. Maybe the results will be a little different. Wing Chun practicioners favor the Vertical Punch which may seem like a power puff punch until you get rocked by it. Seasoned Wing Chun practitioners can deliver 3 to 4 punches before a some fighters can exeWe don't use our hands to block kicks unless we have too. Just because I study Wing cute the jab and cross. Wing Chun has been proven on the streets. I'm not saying Muay Thai hasn't but the big launching round house that misses may spell disaster on the streets. In Wing Chun, we practice the Sticky Leg to counter kicks. We don't use our hands to block kicks unless we have too. Just because I study Wing Chun, doesn't make me unstoppable. Running is still the best thing to do when a fight is brewing. Muay Thai is an excellent martial art and I'm sure there are fighters out there who can use the art to protect themselves on the streets but taking it from the ring to the streets isn't an easy thing to do if you don't practice. But for those who criticize, do you really want to challenge a Wing Chun figher? I highly doubt it of it's not for points. I hope the people who read this realize that is just my opinion and I stand by my practice just like all of you would do the same. Please feel free to email me and share your opinions. There is no right or wrong martial art. I enjoy learning from other people. Thanks!!



IF WAR IS HELL, TAKE A BETTER PITCHFORK THAN THE DEVIL

"Kung Fu was designed as a street defense art and not a ring sport. Naturally, if you put a Kung Fu fighter in a ring he's set up for failure already. In Wing Chun, we practice what we call the Bil Jee (Thrusting Fingers). I don't know if had fingers in the groin, eyes, ears, nose, throat, etc, but it's a fight stopper. In the ring, I can't do that because it's illegal. Let me do that in the ring and let's see the outcome."

First of all Kung Fu is not a street defense art not a very good one anyway.

MuayThai is both a ring and street defense art.

I agree that if you put a Kung fu fighter in ring he would lose.

I can't imagine fingers to groin working but I could see a knee to groin working.I know a finger strike to throat can work on someone but that is provided you are cornered and he has both hands grabbing you.

If you seriously think you could use a finger strike to throat on someone that's goiing full out with punches on you then you are living in a dream world.

Why on earth would you want to strike to ears or nose with fingers when you could punch there and it would be more effective?

I guess you don't know what it is like to get a broken nose from a punch.

Ya lets see the outcome.You guys would lose doing those fancy stick finger techniques in a ring even if it were legal to use.

"But for those who criticize, do you really want to challenge a Wing Chun figher? I highly doubt it if it's not for points."

Sure I will.I'm used to fighting full contact.I really doubt any of your fancy finger techniques would work in a full contact bout.

"Wing Chun has been proven on the streets."

I don't know about anyone else in this thread but I have never heard of Wing Chun being proven to work on the streets.


"I'm not saying Muay Thai hasn't but the big launching round house that misses may spell disaster on the streets. In Wing Chun, we practice the Sticky Leg to counter kicks. We don't use our hands to block kicks unless we have too. "

You seem to think our round house kicks will always miss well I got news for you a well trained muay thai fighter won't miss and if you ever get kicked by a muaythai fighter you will know how much it can hurt and imagine how much damage can be done even on the street with that one kick.

"Just because I study Wing Chun, doesn't make me unstoppable."

That's for damn sure.Use all your fancy techniques and you will see how fast you will end up on your ass by a muaythai fighter.

"There is no right or wrong martial art."

hhhmmmmmmmm,I was under the impression that you were saying Wing Chung is an art that can't be beat from your statement asking if anyone would really want to challenge someone in Wing Chun if not for points and now you say there is no right or wrong martial arts.

Anyways I disagree there is a right and wrong martial arts,any art that teaches you realistic street-defense especially mixed martial arts styles are the better ones.No offense to anyone else but those who do karate,kung fu,wing chung,tae kwon do,tai chi for self-defense purposes are in the wrong martial arts.If you're not in martial arts for self-defense then stick to what you guys are in.

I would put my money down on any boxer,muay thai fighter,shooto fighter,pankrationist,jujitsu person,judo person,and submission wrestler for winning a bout before I would on a fighter in karate,tae kwon do,Wing Chung (and other styles of KungFu) among a few others.

[Thai Bri]

Please stop quoting every time you reply. Its very boring, especially when you are replying to the last immediate post.

[bbbb]

I'm not experienced in any of the arts, really...but I've been to a Wing Chun classat Perth Wing Chun-Sihing Peter Guy...
I thought the whole Idea of Kung Fu was not to "box on"...they really know how to sow people up if there are any mistakes made-but I think you just need a very high skill level...
We had some boxer's in the class- and they all said boxing was easier to learn...but...but then again what else would they say whilst in class..so.?!..I'm just saying that some people are so unassuming(I don't know what I'm saying really- coz it's a friggin' never ending question!!;{)...

I s'pose you can't compare styles- just people= that simple..