Which arts are closest to a real fight?

[yoshinkan]

Reality

Ah, I found a mate, I am really happy today.

Someone who really know what fighting is.

duder I aint little! lol, I am 178cm tall and weigh 69kg for fighting.

I have had 3 fights, Muay Thai 1st fight being with some crazy fucker who had more fights than me and was stronger.... outcome was a draw, my second two fights were in Thailand both KO's me being the winner, :-)

as for soutside on the streets of my dearly beloved city I have had many fights from high school to around 5 years ago.... some, I mean very few, I was beaten but the majority I won! I have had my ass kicked by groups of people and I aint bitter in anyway it just astounds me that so many posters to so many martial art foprums actually post the biggest lot of crap! they clearly have no idea how it is to actua;lly fight someone who is, as osopardo quite nicely put it, a resistant opponent! punch bags folks dont hit back, sparring partners aint trying to kill ya....

....it just annoys me when I ead such crap.


I know I know I should juts ignore it and not post... but I am posting so there, hehe.


jubaji

these football hooligans dont really phase me out, I use football hooligan as a descriptive term for a "mad bastard" but I can tell you that if the majority of posters on all the internet MA forums who are so fantastically skilled in their arts were to come across these kinds of thuigs, the ones who are "mad bastards" they would shit.

there was a funny mpeg flying around with a martial arts class, a guy entred dressed casually ready to demonstarte a street attack! lol, it was exactly how it is, he pulled out a chain whipped the **** out of most of these kung fu dudes while spitting like a deranged animal! "mad bastards" mate they are the ones to watch

[yoshinkan]

What?

I am sorry, but that doesn't make any sense.

Anyone can defeat anyone.

I know how to ambush, I know lot of things, I know how to run very fast, I know I am training ion martial arts since years, but I don't know if the next fight I do, I will not get killed.

There is also no way a mauy thai fighter will beat a WC expert.Just as no WC fighter will beat an expert boxer.Or a boxer beat a karate expert.Or a karate ka beat an expert in judo.See where this is heading.Its pointless to argue over who can win against an expert.The expert WILL win!

[Boxiados]

Very Good question!


The only thing that can help you in the street is your experience.

You know when to run, when to hit, who you must absolutely not hit (otherwise you are dead). You must know the rules of the street.

Who said no rules in the street is totally crazy and will get killed.

Well said, it's the experience and knowing the rules of the street! I can't agree more!

[Garland]

knowing the rules of the street!

I hope that's sarcasm.

[Garland]

unless the rule is don't get cut anywhere vital...

[yoshinkan]

Read

Hi Garland,

what do you mean?

That there is nor rules in the street?

Street is not an anarchy. You must know whay you can do and what you must absolutely not do.

I am not dead, nor in jail, only because I used my brain. Your martial arts stuffs or Tma or combatives will not help you where I come from.

Small kids will get refractory (including me). That's why I am not living there anymore.

Thaiboxing and kickboxing?

To respond to the thread, that question doesn't make sense too.

Kickboxing is very far, that why one of my best friends get stabbed while we were working as bouncer. It was his first and last time.

In summary, we had a problem with guys aged from 16 to 25 years, with guns, knifes. the problem is that he didn't have any experience, and started boxing everyone.

He was doing very well, but I was thinking he will get in troubles soon. (It was in the knight, and I was dealing with the guy and his rifle.) I couldn't let him.

When I came back, The Kickboxer was on the floor, we called ambulance. If we did not have a ring mentality, he should have done fine.

He is not alone, it is only a story among others.

Muay Thai: I kicked so much of these guys.

In a real fight, you are not doing Muay Thai or kickboxing, you are fighting. Big difference.

However, Muay Thai or kick boxing may help you.

Browse the forum and you will find the different paramaters involved in a real fight.

I hope that's sarcasm.

Thank you for reading.

[Garland]

Hi Garland,

what do you mean?

That there is nor rules in the street?

Street is not an anarchy. You must know whay you can do and what you must absolutely not do.

I am not dead, nor in jail, only because I used my brain. Your martial arts stuffs or Tma or combatives will not help you where I come from.

Small kids will get refractory (including me). That's why I am not living there anymore.

Thaiboxing and kickboxing?

To respond to the thread, that question doesn't make sense too.

Kickboxing is very far, that why one of my best friends get stabbed while we were working as bouncer. It was his first and last time.

In summary, we had a problem with guys aged from 16 to 25 years, with guns, knifes. the problem is that he didn't have any experience, and started boxing everyone.

He was doing very well, but I was thinking he will get in troubles soon. (It was in the knight, and I was dealing with the guy and his rifle.) I couldn't let him.

When I came back, The Kickboxer was on the floor, we called ambulance. If we did not have a ring mentality, he should have done fine.

He is not alone, it is only a story among others.

Muay Thai: I kicked so much of these guys.

In a real fight, you are not doing Muay Thai or kickboxing, you are fighting. Big difference.

However, Muay Thai or kick boxing may help you.

Browse the forum and you will find the different paramaters involved in a real fight.




Thank you for reading.

Don't patronize me...I know the fucking difference...maybe you should look around and READ around this forum before you start calling my logic into question.

So... "TMA" don't help...no shit
sportive combative blends and arts like Muay thai and any MMA blend won't work...really now.

and "combatives" don't work...
so what does, smart ass, RBSD?
give me a fucking break.

I don't just train Muay, I train FMA/JKD, and some misc. grappling arts too...and I'm no noob to this forum, look at my post count, shitbird.

[Garland]

But...you...you're mr. self-pronounced hot shit...you must know better than anyone else...after all you "kick so many muay thai".

You are fucking soooooo full of shit you probably have to supplement your regular plumbing with a 12 gallon colostomy bag. By the way...Singapore sucks...

[yoshinkan]

Hi Garland

You are not a very polite person, but I don't think you will change soon.

It's not a problem for me, but for you.

First of all, I've never said that Those thing don't work or will not help: I said:

"However, Muay Thai or kick boxing may help you."

Read first before doing anything.

Second, what I have to do with your 10000 posts. I don't understand you, really. even if you had 1 Million post, what is the point?

Third, Insted of giving me your number of post, give me your background (no competition)

fourth: If you decide not to be polite, just ignore me.

fifth: I am not willing one second to patronize you

Seven: Be open minded, and think first.


Now, understand that people think that the fact they are doing any martial art or else will save them in the street, and this is a false sensation.

I fought years in the street, and I am training in TMA, MMA and combatives, and also in Jet Kune Do. but I know that there is places where I will never put my feet, because I will get killed there, And you too... Actually, anyone who is crazy enough to put his feet there.

I hope you will try to be more polite in the future. Thanks.

Until you come to the scene, I was really happy with this forum...

One like you again, and I will never come back to any self defense forum.

[yoshinkan]

Singapore?

I don't understand what you are talking about but anyway.

And I am not from singapore, but what do you have against Singapore?

Go there in Singapore and say them that they sucks, I don't think they will be very happy with you...

Try to respect people.

According to what I know, disrespect is what get people killed.

you probably have to supplement your regular plumbing with a 12 gallon colostomy bag. By the way...Singapore sucks...

[Garland]

I don't understand what you are talking about but anyway.

And I am not from singapore, but what do you have against Singapore?

Go there in Singapore and say them that they sucks, I don't think they will be very happy with you...

Try to respect people.

According to what I know, disrespect is what get people killed.

Oh, I thought by your wording and diction that you were a duped account from one of the other people on this board. According to what you know "disrespect get people killed?" Is that a threat?

[jubaji]

You are not a very polite person, but I don't think you will change soon.

It's not a problem for me, but for you.

First of all, I've never said that Those thing don't work or will not help: I said:

"However, Muay Thai or kick boxing may help you."

Read first before doing anything.

Second, what I have to do with your 10000 posts. I don't understand you, really. even if you had 1 Million post, what is the point?

Third, Insted of giving me your number of post, give me your background (no competition)

fourth: If you decide not to be polite, just ignore me.

fifth: I am not willing one second to patronize you

Seven: Be open minded, and think first.


Now, understand that people think that the fact they are doing any martial art or else will save them in the street, and this is a false sensation.

I fought years in the street, and I am training in TMA, MMA and combatives, and also in Jet Kune Do. but I know that there is places where I will never put my feet, because I will get killed there, And you too... Actually, anyone who is crazy enough to put his feet there.

I hope you will try to be more polite in the future. Thanks.

Until you come to the scene, I was really happy with this forum...

One like you again, and I will never come back to any self defense forum.

Ah, newby-tude! I wonder how long this will last?

[Garland]

You are not a very polite person, but I don't think you will change soon.
It's not a problem for me, but for you.

First of all, I've never said that Those thing don't work or will not help: I said:

"However, Muay Thai or kick boxing may help you."

Read first before doing anything.

Second, what I have to do with your 10000 posts. I don't understand you, really. even if you had 1 Million post, what is the point?

Third, Insted of giving me your number of post, give me your background (no competition)

fourth: If you decide not to be polite, just ignore me.

fifth: I am not willing one second to patronize you

Seven: Be open minded, and think first.


Now, understand that people think that the fact they are doing any martial art or else will save them in the street, and this is a false sensation.

I fought years in the street, and I am training in TMA, MMA and combatives, and also in Jet Kune Do. but I know that there is places where I will never put my feet, because I will get killed there, And you too... Actually, anyone who is crazy enough to put his feet there.

I hope you will try to be more polite in the future. Thanks.

Until you come to the scene, I was really happy with this forum...

One like you again, and I will never come back to any self defense forum.

You missed 6.

Well...say what you will about me being polite or not, you are the one who came in on their high-horse and started bringing my intellegence and experience into question. I know what I'm talking about, asshole.
You don't understand, obviously, the meaning of "patronise"...it means your mocking me and trying to treat me like a noob or a child...I have no need to prove myself...you're the one in question because you just barely popped up here.

Fought in the street, eh? Really now? Like what?
Eat a dick, I've had my share of scraps too, that ended when I started having to take my pals to hospitals for doing similar shit and being nearly disembowled. Being stabbed sucks. Or watching somebody get their eye ripped from the socket.

Give my background with no competition? I'm an amatuer fighter, shithead...I compete...oh, what, you want me to list streetfights and implicate myself in criminal activities...I think not, douchebag.

My training has, and will continue to help me in the street, in the ring, and where ever else I go...how 'bout your "streetfighting" style? What exactly is it? State your fucking experience, post a resume, whatever...I don't need to prove myself to anyone...but I will post my training history if you so please...

I am trained over 7 years in muay thai kickboxing from multiple instructors, including ex world and lumpinee champs...
I am trained in western boxing, and again I am trained in JEET (not Jet dumb shit) kune do concepts and philosophies, the FMA, Inosanto blend, Pekiti and Dekiti Tirsia, and a smattering of Sayoc. I have trained a bit of CSW, wrestling, and BJJ.

This isn't a pissing contest, so don't make it one. I don't need to name drop to let you know what up. And what the **** is this place where "anyone get killed if they step"? You watching too many animes? Nutcase.

[yoshinkan]

Garland,

I got nothing against you, I don't know you. Just continue your training.

But I think you guys from US have a strange way to speak.

In france, disrespect is a vey seriuos matter, and a small guy of 16 years old will get someone if he doesn't know how to speak respectfully.

I think it's the way you speak, but I am really not use to that.

I am never threatening anyone here, and anywhere. I like to protect people, not to threat people.

Anyone can train one thousand years if he want, what is the problem? It's nothing but training. I am training too, and training will not save my life, but my head. Training without brain is nothing.

Also you are right, I thought that patronize had another mening, but I don't want in anyway to patronize you.

You attacked me first, so I defend. I am like that, I will never attack first, but if someone wants me, be sure that he found his man and that he will regret.

I will never post my CV, and I have nothing to prove to anyone.

But you must really understand that be polite is really important, People get killed for that in France. Just because they said a word when they shouldn't have said that.

People have a strange way to talk where you live, and I will never talk like that, because I know I will get in problems.

Also, what I want you to understand, is that it is not any muay thai that will save you in the street. When I say street, I don't say a regular street when you fight and go home and that's it, or you fight and go to the hospital. this is nothing relly dangerous.

I mean you enter a place, and you never come back to home. If you don't know such places, what can I do?

I train for more than 20 years, I was a Body Guard, a Bouncer, I know what I can do, but I know that there is places I will never enter in, because I will get killed.

Even If I can go out, it will be difficult after that. Do you know what a contract is? Do you think you will survive with a contract on your head because you are a champion of Muay Thai, or because you took 5 seminars to hand a knife or a gun?

This is all that I wanted you to understand, but I recognize that I don't express myself in the best way...

However, I don't have nothing against you, but where I leved, a small 14 years old will get me. It's like that, he will not care about my past, he will get me or you, or anyone.

Do you think people care about me and my fighting abilities? It will help me, but my fighting ability in the street will never be the important thing.

I was in the street years before I practice any martial art, and I did never participate in a martial art because I thought that will save my life!

I am training because I like that, but It will not save my life. What will save my life (not with a stupid aggressor who don't know how to stand on his 2 feets in a fight like most of them) against serious people.

If you don't understand that, I think we are not from the same world...

Have a good day, I hope you all the good in your life.

And for the thread, which is closest to real fight, what do you mean by closest to real fight?

A real fight is not about kicking and punching, it goes beyond that.

You have a problem against someone, you give him a lowkick, he stabs you. which is the closest to a real fight?

When I was not practicing any martial art, I used my brain, if I see the man is a taekwondo champion, do you think I will enter in a fight with him? I will just call my friends, and we get him and that's all.

No time to kick and punch. In which world do you live?

Just my experience as a bouncer, How many times I punched and kicked? Not that much. I prefer to take you on the ground, then kick you. If I want to punch and kick, I go to train with a sparring. but outside, I really don'thave time for punching or kicking.

And for what I said : "I kicked so much of those Muay Thai guys", I never want to prove anything to anyone. I thought itwas a board with experienced people sharing their experiences, but obviously, I think it's a board of Competitor and not fighters. That's why we do not understand each others. It may be strange for you that I say that. but if today someone comes and is disrepectful to me and start to show me his muay thai foot leg like people used to do before in France, I will do the same; and if he is the one who kick me, no problem, life is like that. There is thousand of people who are better than me at fighting and who will give me a lesson if we fight together, but this will not stop me in anyway.

It will always be like that, people will beat you and you will win. I have been Knocked out during fights and so what? I kicked much more than I have been.

I will not post my resume nor experience on this board or anywhere, because my past is something that must be forgoten. Nobody knows my past except people who were with me at that time.

WHy will I say anything to you.

Anyway, maybe one day we will have the opportunity to train together

You make me write too much...

But you must understand that I don't want to prove anything to anyone on this board and on the earth, I don't want to patromize anyone, why should I want to do that?

I only came on this board because I thought it was open minded and experienced people in the street.

I think it's a good board, but I don't see so much experience exept maybe Mike Brewer. Believe me, I read only some of your post and I know if you are from the street or not.

By the way, I go in a lot of boards, related to my interests, and it's the first time a saw that: I don't know why, but on self defense and fighting board, it's like people think they are on the ring? It's a board to exchange ideas and experiences, to help people who seek more knowledge, so why all that pressure?

By the way, I went on a board named bullshido, and I will never go there again. A bunch of disrespectful people who think they are the best fighters on the world?

My conclusion is that street people don't go on discussion Forum. I was thinking yesterday, and say yes before I couldn't care less about going in a board to share my fighting experience and insights.

I read on nonsenseselfdefense that people was "Forum fighters", and I think that he was true.

However, this board seems to be nice, and you seem to be a nice person.

I prefer when you are polite. I feel ok now. Yesterday I was really upset against you, but today it's OK.

People don't speak to me without respect, it's not something that I can accept.

If you are nice, I will be nice with you. If you disrespect me, you don't know what kind of people I am.

When I say "You", it's not "Garland", it's a general statment.

Anyway, we should all respect each other.

Thanks for reading. You really make me tape a lot.

Sorry for my broken english.

[yoshinkan]

Hi Garland, I don't have TV, and I didn't see a movie since more than 6 years.

I Don't like movies. Nothing interesting.

You watching too many animes? Nutcase.