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  • reality and round kicks

    just out of curiosity, has anyone been able to pull of a round house to the head in a street fight?

    personally, i've never tried this. it works good against legs and trunk though.

    i'd say the only oppertunity u'd have to pull it off would be before the ur both charge each other. ie. when tensions rises, before he expects it, u knock him out. doing it in a combo prolly woulnt work since most likely u'll be charging each other at the same time, thus not giving u the distance needed to land one.

    what do u think?

  • #2
    99.9% of streetfights end on the ground. If you throw a high kick and he catches it, if he's smart he will take you down to the ground. Same goes for knees.

    Best bet is to avoid a streetfight but if you end up in one I would stick to boxing, elbows and low kicks.

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    • #3
      99.9 % of all streetsfights end up on the ground? where the fudge did u hear that? oh let me guess: a book on BJJ or anything grappling related?

      u havent been in a lot of fights have u? i'm aint trying to blaze at u or nothing, but a statement like that just pi$$ me off. sure the fight may go to the ground, but will it continue there? Did u take it there? if not, could u have prevented it? most likely.

      so dont give me that bs if u dont know what ur talking about.

      anyone else, plz

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      • #4
        Apex,
        No, 99% of streetfights do not go to the ground. Please do not spout the Gracie party line without any actual experience with real world violence.

        Best bet is to avoid a streetfight but if you end up in one I would stick to boxing, elbows and low kicks
        Well, if 99.9% of streetfights go to the ground (as you charge in your last post), then what use would boxing or elbows be? Seriously, dude, post on things that you know about and listen on those that you don't. You won't ever hear me lecturing a scientist on nuclear physics because I took some classes in high school and college.

        Hybrid Fighter,
        Throwing a head kick in a real fight is suicidal, and in most cases, you won't even have the space to do it if you wanted to. Most assaults take place in the space of a phone booth. That doesn't leave much room for kicking, much less taking their head off with a roundhouse. That said, there are people who can do it and have pulled it off. However, it is extremely dangerous for you to attempt it when safer options exist.

        Things that can go wrong:
        1) Miss and are way out of position.
        2) You slip on a liquid.
        3) You get tackled and beaten half (or fully) to death.
        4) You catch your pivoting foot on something (like a sidewalk) and tear every ligament in your ankle. That's the end of you.

        Honestly, it is a really crappy idea that has little or no chance of working. Don't screw around when it counts. Be simple and direct, and knock his ass out.

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        • #5
          I guess I hit a nerve, huh?

          Well, I am an avid MT'er and prefer to do any sort of fighting on my feet but the hard truth is that once you start pounding a guy with combos and he realizes he's screwed because your stand up is better guess what he does? He goes for the takedown.

          Someone who's getting beat standing up will take it to the ground unless you're fighting someone who doesn't know how to fight. If he doesn't know how to fight he will probably just cover up and just keep getting hit until you stop.

          And yes I've been in several fights and when I fought people who knew how to fight they took me down when I tried to throw a high kick. High kicks are very easy to catch and especially when your wearing full clothing with shoes. It's not quite the same as when your training in the gym with no shoes and loose shorts.

          But hey, that's just my opinion.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ryanhall
            Apex,
            No, 99% of streetfights do not go to the ground. Please do not spout the Gracie party line without any actual experience with real world violence.

            Well, if 99.9% of streetfights go to the ground (as you charge in your last post), then what use would boxing or elbows be? Seriously, dude, post on things that you know about and listen on those that you don't. You won't ever hear me lecturing a scientist on nuclear physics because I took some classes in high school and college.

            And how exactly do you know what my experience level with real world violence or anything else for that matter is?

            Anyways, okay maybe it's more like 90% of fights do go to the ground. Is that better? It is fair to say that MOST streetfights end on the ground. Just as you mentioned most fights occur very quickly, in fact so quickly and closely that you have a short period of time to inflict injury upon your opponent while standing up before you do end up on the ground. If you manage to hurt him enough while standing then it is fair to say that the fight may be ended before it goes to the ground.

            Regardless, I still stick by my statement that you should avoid a streetfight. Period. You never know the experience level of whomever you fight with and espcecially for the fact that there are no rules, a referee or nearby medical attention.

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            • #7
              thanks for the reply ryanhall

              at least someone got some common sense here. again, i just started this thread out of curiosity to see if someone actually been able to chop someones head off with a round house.

              n apex why dont u take thos 90 % n shove em up ur a$$ will ya. thats just plain bs.

              like u said, if ur pounding on some guy n he realizes ur dominating him; he goes for the takedown. who says u cant prevent being taken down. if he goes for a takedown, prevent it, then give him the knee and break his face.
              say if he manages to take u down, why cant u get back up again? if hes an extremely experienced grappler u might have a problem, but for the most part, its not that hard. if u get up n the dumb fu#k wants to stay on the ground, give him the boot n make him stay down permanently.

              round kicks arent completely useless in a fight either. its just a matter of using them in my opinion. say u punish him with a hand combo and finish of with a low round kick. do u think hes gonna be able to catch that? he wont even see it coming. that'd be optimally used if ur dominating him that is. cuz if ur both sluggin, he might get u while or before u kick.

              just my 5 cents

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              • #8
                High kick to the head on the street...

                If im wearing hard steel-tipped boots. No witnesses in sight. Short victim. Walk by casually...

                WHACK!

                take his shoes and run away.

                other than that I wont use it if a fight is in progress and the guy is swinging. Also if theres more than one person - have to keep your balance and keep it stand up. Kicks to the groin. Elbows to the head etc.

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                • #9
                  The chance of landing a roundhouse kick to the head is rare, but not impossible. It really depends on what type of situation you're in...

                  In most cases, I would say you get your leg caught or jammed. However, if you're opponent is reluctant to commit himself, you may land a head kick. This happens in high school type fights where the guy just circles around you without knowing what to expect or do, for that matter.

                  Some people move their upper body backwards, which can also lead to a head kick... They often underestimate the reach of a head kick. Worst yet, some folks close their eyes.. In which case, you can go for a knock out maneuver.

                  The point of going to the ground is very controversial, but funny. I personally don't believe many fights go to the ground. Not many people are comfortable on the ground and would prefer to stand up. The problem is that two people duking it out usually keep moving forward and end up smuthering each other. Then, by their clumsiness they end up on the ground... Or at least one of them does.

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                  • #10
                    post on things that you know about
                    Shit. I guess I'm done posting then...

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                    • #11
                      reality and round kicks

                      yes 99.99% of fights do end up on the ground

                      when one of the unlucky wankers gets knocked out

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                      • #12
                        When 2 dudes that don't know how to fight get together it goes to the ground due to lack of knowledge, balance, and coordination and the instinct to grab and close with whatever is trying to whack at you. That is why most fights go to the ground, because most of them don't know how to fight! We are talking on a global level here, I'm sure there are thousands of fights that don't go to the ground because one or both know how to fight and someone gets knocked out fast but there are millions of fights by dummys that havent a clue. But to insinuate that most fights go to the ground because of something else other than lack of skill is not true.

                        Damian Mavis
                        Honour TKD

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                        • #13
                          I would say that 90% of MMA fights go to the ground. What usually happens in a street fight is that one guy gets knocked down and the other guy kicks him with his boots. People usually do not try to "ground and pound" on the mount position. Even if one guy rushes and takes down his opponent it's usually for just a while. I would recomend staying away from the ground no matter how good a grappler you are. There are just too many variables such as rocks, glass ect.

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                          • #14
                            100% of fights start standing up. Unless your in a really really weird situation, like being sat down!

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                            • #15
                              99% of street FIGHTS may end up on the ground, but 99% of self defense situations do not. Remember in the street their is only one rule. "Never kick a woman in the nuts". Other than that everything else goes. So don't turn a sport mentality into a street one.

                              As far as kicking someone in the head. I'll do it. Only after a put a nice kick into their groin and their head is down at leg kick level.

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