knife or kabuton for the street

[Garland]

Hmph! What about a cute male cop? Either way, shake that thang 'n work it bro! 'sides, if yer goin' ta jail ya know someone's gonna be interested in yer package... or yer backdoor delivery service!

(Just in case any of you idjits thought I was bein' serious...) JK!

The backdoor delivery service is outgoing only, exports, no imports...thank you very kindly.

[bOoRadley]

How about neither...what kind of paranoid nut are you that you feel it necessary to carry weapons?

Save you money for a psychiatrist

[Tant01]

The kind that uses a knife everyday for one thing or another. Just yesterday the Apria (medical equipment) delivery driver used my karambit to cut some plastic banding! They come in handy for all kinds of tasks in addition to self protection...

[PandaMan]

I chose knife, just as someone mentioned earlier that it looks a lot more threatening. Hopefully it may make a person think twice before trying to get too close.

I agree with Tant01, I've used my knife for more non-combative functions... like opening a box, cutting cords / LAN Cables and once peeling an orange (shouldn't have done that) :P

[Ben Grimm]

I also prefer to carry a knife. And the reasons have been mentioned in previous posts. 1. It's more threatening, 2. I can use it for non-combative functions, 3. In China (At least in the city I'm in), I can carry it on my belt as long as it's not bigger than a butcher's cleaver.

[KirkhamsEbooks.]

what would u guys say would be more useful for general self defense for the street, a folding blade or a small kabuton(sp?). they both have their strengths and weaknesses i suppose, one being a blade and the other being an impact weapon. any thoughts?

Well the folding knife can also be used as a kabotan

Rick

[Albert]

Knife wins, end of discussion.

How about neither...what kind of paranoid nut are you that you feel it necessary to carry weapons?

Save you money for a psychiatrist

And you sir, dont have a good grasp on reality.

[KirkhamsEbooks.]

So, we shouldn't bother training at all then? Just carry a knife?

Rick

[Albert]

Well Rick, IMO you should still train, a knife isnt going to solve all of your problems. I hope i helped answer your questions.

Albert

[chupacabras]

kinfe would be best, but stick is more practical since knives are illegal.

[black knife]

A knife is more realistic weapon against multiple unarmed opponents. Using a kubotan in a one one one fight will get you in trouble. It will be considered a deadly weapon if used with out justification. You should have unarmed fighting skills that will allow you to defend yourself against one assailant....if you don't start training as soon as possible.

[White Shadow]

Something to consider. . .

Black Knife wrote: "A knife is more realistic weapon against multiple unarmed opponents. Using a kubotan in a one one one fight will get you in trouble. It will be considered a deadly weapon if used with out justification. You should have unarmed fighting skills that will allow you to defend yourself against one assailant....if you don't start training as soon as possible."

I, wholeheartedly disagree. A Kubotan or Yawara are non-lethal "tools" (notice I said tools), but a knife is considered a "lethal force weapon".

Using anything with a "blade" or "cutting edge" is surely going to get you into hot water.

On-the-other-hand, a Kubotan or Yawara are simple steel. aluminum, or wooden sticks that can be deployed in many ways, without needing to apply "deadly" force, although applied correctly, could be used with deadly force. and they don't take a lot of training to employ against an attacker, a knife does!

Also, brandishing a "stick" isn't going to get you into trouble, but brandishing a "knife" absolutely will get you a day in court or, worse yet, jail time! And, if you don't know the proper way to use a knife, you could get severely injured or even killed. Not likely to happen with a stick. At most you might get a few broken fingers or soft tissue injuries. With a knife you could get DEAD!

So, for my money, I would learn to use and apply either the Kubotan or Yawara.

[White Shadow]

For Educational Purposes ONLY. . . .Uh, maybe?!

Tant01 wrote: ]"Warning> For educational purposes ONLY>
Sure, ever butcher any large game or livestock? The connecting tissues between joints can be severed causing immediate dysfunction (Deanimation)

There are a couple things EVERY knifer should know. They are: HOW the human body functions and how to make it fail to function. Respiratory system supplies vital oxygen to your brain. No air, no brain function. Vascular system uses red blood to carry the air, no blood, no function. Mechanical system, to keep yourself upright and mobile you need to use muscles and other tissue and bones to support your weight. Severe trauma to tissue and bone will make that most difficult.

A tip>>your axillary vein (vein of the armpit) is a continuation of the basilic vein from the arms. It is a large vein extending along the chest to the first rib, where it becomes the subclavian vein. The cephalic vein merges with it just before it becomes the subclavian vein.

The cephalic vein extends along the biceps muscles to the shoulder where it eventually merges with the axillary vein (vein of the armpit) just below the clavicle (collar bone). In some people, this vein is connected to the external jugular vein or subclavian vein by a branch that extends in front of the clavicle."

Well, if your a medical examiner, Dr., EMT/Paramedic, etc. or experienced military operator, all that you posted above might make sense, but to the general public, it doesn't mean s**t! Most people don't even know how to take a pulse, let alone, know where to properly try to aim and place their knife blade to cut a major artery. And, for those that do, trying to get over the psychological barrier of "cutting, wounding, or injuring another human being" is extremely traumatic.

We as a society are constantly taught to not hurt others. Cutting another human is a BIG DEAL!

Tant01 wrote: "How about a small flashlight???"

Yes, a small flashlight would work nicely as a Kubotan. And, if you have your Kubotan attached to your keys, it then becomes a keyring.

[Dankichi]

I don’t think there is one right answer, unless it is carry what you are willing to use. It is a bad idea to pull out a weapon you are not committed to using 100%.

When it comes down to it, why not carry both? Or carry a gun? Or carry flexible weapons? Better yet, why not practice skills like conflict negotiation and sprinting? (arguably as important for a martial artist as fighting skills)

[KirkhamsEbooks.]

I have a rather long handled car key for the remote door lock etc.. I've already looked at the value of it as a piercing weapon.

The end is a nice rounded plastic so grips not too bad and it won't hurt my hand.

Rick