Just how good is the bullet man?

[Tom Yum]

It never said that's ALL she did. She may have years of martial arts experience but just 2 bullet man training sessions. .

No semantics here.

No need. My arguement is logical and sound.

Only because you say so. Hey its your world, we're just in it.

Personal attacks? I'm not the one using the smiley over and over again.

Trolltastic.

[BoarSpear]

Can I just say that I have absolutely nothing to do with "nutter". I know who he is ... but I'm not going into that here. However, he is a troll and has destroyed many a good forum in his time.

Maybe if you stopped being abusive and offensive and actually debated like a grown up, we might get somewhere?

yeah, he is your other onscreen name you follow yourself around and talk to yourself...where have i seen that before? oh yeah T.B. and Tameo

[nutter]

Andy Murray is a prolific troll. He was kicked off MAP too: http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ad.php?t=17206

[Sagacious Lu]

Really? Define "something worth debating over".

I'm not going to bother, I think we've already given you far more attention than you deserve. That will be all.

[Tant01]

On report...

yeah, he is your other onscreen name you follow yourself around and talk to yourself...where have i seen that before? oh yeah T.B. and Tameo

Time to get serious folks. I have extended an invitation to ExcessiveForce to observe the activity of our newer guests.

They "both" need to consider carefully what they post on this forum.

Have a nice day.

[Tom Yum]

No, there isn't. Just logical observation. Obviously YOU missed it.

Uh huh. Sales hit a slump ?

And your point is?

What's your point other than to troll?

[Tom Yum]

Maybe some of the grown ups will be willing to debate constructively without resorting to troll accusations and other insults?

......

[treelizard]

Maybe some of the grown ups will be willing to debate constructively without resorting to troll accusations and other insults?

All right, I'll debate constructively on this!! I've been to several bulletman classes and I don't think they would help me fight a trained kickboxer (unless I used the awareness/avoidance/de-escalation/escape tactics taught first). Reason being that the entire course is designed around the idea that your assailant(s) are just your average run-of-the-mill idiots and not seasoned fighters, that you can catch 'em by surprise and cause enough mechanical compliance to be able to get away type of thing. I think those would be much less effective.

Also, most bulletman classes that I'm aware of don't really teach ground skills other than some limited amount of learning how to switch feet once the BG grabs one leg.

In addition, there's the adrenaline dump and all that, which a trained fighter would be much more used to, and have thought out better.

Again, bulletman classes are not created equally. Some do teach sound tactics and some just suck...

Give the woman some weapons and weekly training and that will even the playing field a bit.

However, I'd vote yes, I think she would stand a chance if the BG is unaware and trying to assault her while she's walking to her car, but no, not if you put the two of 'em in the ring. What's a "straight go"?

[Tom Yum]

Can't you do better than that .... spammer?

Spam what. I'm not an Australian hacker.

[Tant01]

Who? FAST Defence?

... I've been to several bulletman classes and I don't think they would help me fight a trained kickboxer ...
Also, most bulletman classes that I'm aware of don't really teach ground skills other than some limited amount of learning how to switch feet once the BG grabs one leg.

In addition, there's the adrenaline dump and all that, which a trained fighter would be much more used to, and have thought out better.

Again, bulletman classes are not created equally. Some do teach sound tactics and some just suck...

Give the woman some weapons and weekly training and that will even the playing field a bit.

When and where Treelizard? Just curious?

I know Bill K. has fairly high standards for his associate instructors in FAST programs.

Thanks...

[Tom Yum]

When and where Treelizard? Just curious?

I know Bill K. has fairly high standards for his associate instructors in FAST programs.

Thanks...

Is there a standard cirriculum for bullet man classes or do they vary?

[treelizard]

I took single unarmed assailant, single armed assailant and multiple unarmed assailants at Impact Chicago. This must have been six or seven years ago. They taught some great things and some dumb things. We also played with bulletman stuff at a Shinbikai gathering on the East Coast. Mostly for the kids.

And I'm hosting a Fightback course which I'm pretty stoked about. I've been to their demos and prefer their training methods.

But for personal defense I'm for FMA all the way.

[kuk sool won]

I've been observing this thread for a while and quite frankly Andy, some of your observations are laughable. Not only are all the reasons above that were brought forward by treelizard valid, you have also got to take into account of the females state of mind and physical ability. The initial attack might completely shock the female rendering her HOURS of training useless. Yeh she might go for a low blow but the seasoned kickboxer will quite easily see it coming, as said before its all based around the idea of suprise. Kickboxers aren't going to find somebody fighting back at them abnormal.

Your hypocrital analogy of other peoples posts is simply idiotic. Its quite funny when you tell people that they wrong because they have no evidence to back up the innitial state which, in your mind automatically makes you right when you haven't the facts to back it up yourself... care to explain your reasoning behind that? So far your glorious replies consist of "trust me", hardly hard factual data is it now...

Why are you constantly looking for pragmatical reasoning in the original post?
Yeh he never said that she hadn't had any previous experience in other martial arts but he also didn't mention whether or not the kickboxer is Semmy Shilt or has a gun or can shoot fire out of his eyes, we can all pretend that nutter had deeper implications to his question but we can only go purely on sematic response.

finally you are calling others immature!? hello Mr Pot - If we are strictly speaking of immaturity then by definition isnt the 16 year old Andy the least mature...?

[Garland]

yo yo yo, Andy, listen buddy...I wasn't attacking your shit, so fucking chill. I wanted to know if you did anything at Westmini because I'm a student there and your name looked familiar, allright...it wasn't anything offensive.

Still...with some of the bullshit you spout, you're out of your fucking mind, and if you ever are confonted with something really truly serious, not some fantasy or something blown out of proportion, as you Reality fuckers tend to do, you will die. That simple. You will one day, thinking you're hot shit, come across somebody who will put an end to your life.

Look at Alex Gong, a great man, and a great fighter...who did something a little sketch, and wasn't (like anyone would be) contemplating some sort of almost fucking farcical response, got himself shot and killed.


How many fights have you been in?
Not to make this a pissing contest, but I want to know how long somebody with a shit attitude like yours can go, I assume you pick alot of fights also, without being toe tagged. (people run in crowds like wolves, and carry guns. Bullets run faster than you can, and guns are alot more reliable than hands, so are knives. I've been shanked twice, you fucking haven't. That simple...I know, you don't. Try it sometime...it may wake your ass up.)

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Ah, what do you hope to achieve by bringing this up? The people on MAP are idiots. I'm glad I left.

Look at the BUDO SEEK! forum, those people are such arrogant woosies!