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I like your thinking Mr. Kerr and the nature of your posts. You commented on the overconfidence issue in your first post... I thought about responding then but didn't. Thought I'd wait and see where it (this thread) went.. Seriously started losing interest and then got it back... Nice save!
I think the so called traditional arts have DEVOLVED in the last century where some sports have evolved to what we have now. Kano would appreciate this I think. The old art (Jujutsu) was solely for fighting purposes, killing enemies as it were.
I just wanted to comment on the tanto thing (above)
It was a weapon of last resort. Not the first choice of a warrior in mortal combat to be sure! As you also point out it gives one a few other options instead of simply slaying your enemy. The skilled knifer can, as you say, focus his attack (defense) on disarming or maiming in a manner that eliminated the threat. Specifically the structural cutting of limbs or organs to disable the attackers ability to wound or kill you.
Judo is a gentle way to learn the techniques of Jujutsu, the old science of hand to hand combat. I have some notes (quotes) from old masters that I'd like to share here. They were more knowledgeable than I will ever be and more eloquent.
While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties. While the old schools taught nothing but practice, the modern Judo gives the theoretical explanation of the doctrine, at the same time giving the practical a no less important place.
.....T. Shidachi, 1892
In 1920 on the occasion of the late Professor Jigoro Kano's visit with Mr. Hikoichi Aida, who was to be the first Judo instructor to the Budokwai, Mr. Tani and I joined the Kodokan and were graded to 2nd Dan. I was influenced to take this step by the fact that the Kodokan was founded as an educational institution, free from financial interests, with the object of facilitating the study and practice of Judo as a means of physical, mental and ethical training, elevating Judo as a scientific and ever progressive subject on the principle of maximum efficiency and minimum effort.
G. Koizumi
Jujutsu requires two systems of randori training
To begin with, jujutsu, of whatever kind, is for protecting yourself against the attacks of an opponent. Kenjutsu protects a person by use of a sword, and jitte-jutsu protects a person by use of a jitte, which is a short metal truncheon. Jujutsu protects a person without using anything at all. Moreover, jujutsu must be able to protect a person from an opponent's attack encountered at any time or place. In other words, in order to cope with an opponent's unlimited and unqualified attack without using a weapon, jujutsu made avoiding the brunt of an attack by the use of agile movements the number one priority. As it has been taught from ancient times, The secret principle of jujutsu is moving your body out of the way (taisabaki).
When we analyse the essence of attacks, they fall into two general categories:
(1)An opponent from close in tries to topple (taosu) or restrain (osaeru) you by using his legs and hips.
(2) An opponent from distance tries to strike, lunge at, or kick you, or with a weapon tries to cut or stab you.
Whichever situation it is, you must protect yourself completely by using taisabaki against the strong points of the attack. You must avoid the attack by using the speed of locomotive power. The secret principle of jujutsu, true natural posture (shizen hontai or mugamae), was developed on the base of this taisabaki and applies to all techniques. The system of randori practise that Master Kano formulated is for the situations described in point 1 above. It is the category of nage-waza and katame-waza where from close in you apply a waza at the collar and sleeve of a Japanese style judo jacket. The system of randori practise where you avoid your opponent's attack from a distance (as in point 2 above) and apply a technique is comprised of the atemi-waza and kansetsu-waza. In both categories there is a need to establish a system of randori training.
Kenji Tomiki (1900-1979)
Brief Bio of K. Tomiki>> http://www.shodokan.ch/en/bio_tomiki.html
As you know Kano relegated the training methods against strikers and armed attackers to Kata... Just a few points I thought were interesting... Thanks for reading!
All the best folks! Stay safe!
Portions of articles borrowed from the Judoinfo site...
Originally posted by Richard Kerr
I like your thinking Mr. Kerr and the nature of your posts. You commented on the overconfidence issue in your first post... I thought about responding then but didn't. Thought I'd wait and see where it (this thread) went.. Seriously started losing interest and then got it back... Nice save!
I think the so called traditional arts have DEVOLVED in the last century where some sports have evolved to what we have now. Kano would appreciate this I think. The old art (Jujutsu) was solely for fighting purposes, killing enemies as it were.
I just wanted to comment on the tanto thing (above)
It was a weapon of last resort. Not the first choice of a warrior in mortal combat to be sure! As you also point out it gives one a few other options instead of simply slaying your enemy. The skilled knifer can, as you say, focus his attack (defense) on disarming or maiming in a manner that eliminated the threat. Specifically the structural cutting of limbs or organs to disable the attackers ability to wound or kill you. Judo is a gentle way to learn the techniques of Jujutsu, the old science of hand to hand combat. I have some notes (quotes) from old masters that I'd like to share here. They were more knowledgeable than I will ever be and more eloquent.
While the old form, jujutsu, was studied solely for fighting purposes, Kano's new system is found to promote the mental as well as the physical faculties. While the old schools taught nothing but practice, the modern Judo gives the theoretical explanation of the doctrine, at the same time giving the practical a no less important place.
.....T. Shidachi, 1892
In 1920 on the occasion of the late Professor Jigoro Kano's visit with Mr. Hikoichi Aida, who was to be the first Judo instructor to the Budokwai, Mr. Tani and I joined the Kodokan and were graded to 2nd Dan. I was influenced to take this step by the fact that the Kodokan was founded as an educational institution, free from financial interests, with the object of facilitating the study and practice of Judo as a means of physical, mental and ethical training, elevating Judo as a scientific and ever progressive subject on the principle of maximum efficiency and minimum effort.
G. Koizumi
Jujutsu requires two systems of randori training
To begin with, jujutsu, of whatever kind, is for protecting yourself against the attacks of an opponent. Kenjutsu protects a person by use of a sword, and jitte-jutsu protects a person by use of a jitte, which is a short metal truncheon. Jujutsu protects a person without using anything at all. Moreover, jujutsu must be able to protect a person from an opponent's attack encountered at any time or place. In other words, in order to cope with an opponent's unlimited and unqualified attack without using a weapon, jujutsu made avoiding the brunt of an attack by the use of agile movements the number one priority. As it has been taught from ancient times, The secret principle of jujutsu is moving your body out of the way (taisabaki).
When we analyse the essence of attacks, they fall into two general categories:
(1)An opponent from close in tries to topple (taosu) or restrain (osaeru) you by using his legs and hips.
(2) An opponent from distance tries to strike, lunge at, or kick you, or with a weapon tries to cut or stab you.
Whichever situation it is, you must protect yourself completely by using taisabaki against the strong points of the attack. You must avoid the attack by using the speed of locomotive power. The secret principle of jujutsu, true natural posture (shizen hontai or mugamae), was developed on the base of this taisabaki and applies to all techniques. The system of randori practise that Master Kano formulated is for the situations described in point 1 above. It is the category of nage-waza and katame-waza where from close in you apply a waza at the collar and sleeve of a Japanese style judo jacket. The system of randori practise where you avoid your opponent's attack from a distance (as in point 2 above) and apply a technique is comprised of the atemi-waza and kansetsu-waza. In both categories there is a need to establish a system of randori training.
Kenji Tomiki (1900-1979)
Brief Bio of K. Tomiki>> http://www.shodokan.ch/en/bio_tomiki.html
As you know Kano relegated the training methods against strikers and armed attackers to Kata... Just a few points I thought were interesting... Thanks for reading!
All the best folks! Stay safe!
Portions of articles borrowed from the Judoinfo site...
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