On Killing/On Combat

[bigred389]

Two great books I just finished with.

On Killing I'd say is an absolute MUST for anybody who is considering a career in the military or law enforcement.
It's also pretty damned useful as far as understanding the psychology of someone who's psychologically "enabled" to kill YOU...and it really drives the home the importance of REALISTIC STRESSFUL training for TRUE self-defense.

On Combat is also good, but it simultaneously gets more in depth/clinical while it also broadens general applicability to understanding our biological processes...it can be used by everyone from athletes to students to combatants who want to understand the what and why of what's happening to them as they engage in life or death situations.

Know thyself, right? These two books are absolutely amazing to understand how we react under real life stressful situations. Seeing as how the majority of us(maybe a few exceptions out there...Boarspear maybe?) haven't engaged in life or death situations, incorporating this knowledge into your training can not only improve your general performance, maybe it'll even save your life some day.

It really is amazing that it's taken so long for somebody to put it all together.
The author is Lt Col Grossman, a former Army infantry officer who's a psychology professor.

Again, highly recommended to all.

[Tant01]

I'd say it was a good idea. While I have not read his books I have researched similar aspects of stress related psychology. They sound very interesting and I'll definitely put them on my list!


Wikipedia>>>
On Killing (1995) (ISBN 0316330116), an analysis of the psychology of killing both in the military and in civilian society, which he calls killology.

On Combat (2004) (ISBN 0964920514), "a ground-breaking examination of what it takes to perform, cope and survive in the toxicity of deadly combat as a soldier in a foreign land and a police officer in the mean streets of urban America."

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is Professor of Military Science at Arkansas State University. His career includes service in the US Army as a sergeant in the US 82nd Airborne Division, a platoon leader in the 9th (High Tech Test Bed) Division, a general staff officer, a company commander in the 7th (Light) Infantry Division as well as a parachute infantryman and a US Army Ranger and teaching psychology at West Point.

During heights of video game controversy, Dave Grossman has been interviewed on the content of his book, and has repeatedly used the term "murder simulator" to describe first-person shooter games. He argues that video game publishers unethically train children in the use of weapons and, more importantly, harden them emotionally to the task of murder by simulating the killing of hundreds or thousands of opponents in a single typical video game.

(He also wrote the book) "Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill : A Call to Action Against TV, Movie and Video Game Violence" (1999) (ISBN 0609606131)


Since his retirement from the Army, Dave Grossman has founded the Killology Research Group and continues to educate law enforcement officers and soldiers in the techniques he has studied for improving outcomes in lethal encounters. He also speaks at civilian events on ways to reduce violence in society and deal with the aftermath of violent events such as school shootings.

[Garland]

https://www.mushinselfdefense.com

My old training buddy and a man who taught me alot about the martial arts, Brian Yamasaki, has a small article on his internet corrispondence with Lt. Grossman in his schools "articles" section. You have to sign in as a member to see it, but it's free.

[nutter]

Reading books about killing a bit like dry land swimming innit.

[Tant01]

Book learning is for the academics among us, the more educated and civilized artists on the forum.

Back in your hole troll!

[danfaggella]

I've learned a good deal aobut chess from books, and about grappling from books, though I have not been grappling or playing chess while reading them. Plenty of valuable information about expereinces/actions/ect... can be learned through reading, you may even learn things you would have never found out on your own.

For instance: I could have played chess forever on my own and never really understood the superiority of the Ruy Lopez.

By the same token: Someone who has been in a combat situation may not ever realize why they felt or reacted the way they did under those circumstances, but through a book they can look into such things and understande themself. Better themself.

[Jab902]

Well, video games have taught me to load, unload, reload, turn off the saftey, aim, and fire.It's just wierd how i know all this and have only shot a gun a couple times with my grandpa in his hunting club. This generation, the ones who play video games that is, can be turned int killing machines like nothing. I coould go to war and come back less emotionally scarred than someone who faught in vietnam because I've killed hundreds of thousands of simulated people, aliens, robots, and zombies. Watch the way a kid plays House of the Dead or Virtua Cop next time your in an arcade and you will see what im talking about.

[nutter]

For instance: I could have played chess forever on my own and never really understood the superiority of the Ruy Lopez.
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Which is inferior to the Silician mate innit. Yeah I bet Nigel Shorts became a grandmaster by reading books on it not by actually playing it right. Best stick with your dry land swimming mate.

By the way right Tonto, please put me back on ignore right mate, your witty responses to my posts is getting to be a bore again.

[Tant01]

By the way right Tonto, please put me back on ignore right mate, your witty responses to my posts is getting to be a bore again.

I've decided I like Jubaji's approach to the idiots around here. I'm going to ride you like the pathetic troll that you are!

This thread is about two books that are interesting and related to combat. If you don't like books go post on some other thread!

Oh and

Learn to spell you idiot!

[nutter]

You wanna ride me Tonto, not too intimately I hope mate. I ain't said whether I like books mate, just made a relevant comment that's got your knickers in a twist cos you like the old dry land swimming approach right.

[Tant01]

What part of is so hard for you to understand troll?

[nutter]

I dunno what you is on about right mate. Maybe you should spell it out, like I or any other forum member is to leave just cos you stick your middle finger up at us right. I ain't scared of you, it's just hot air innit.

[Tant01]

I dunno what you is on about right mate. Maybe you should spell it out, like I or any other forum member is to leave just cos you stick your middle finger up at us right. I ain't scared of you, it's just hot air innit.

This thread is about two books that are related to combat. If you don't like books go post on some other thread!

[Tant01]

Well, video games have taught me to load, unload, reload, turn off the saftey, aim, and fire.It's just wierd how i know all this and have only shot a gun a couple times with my grandpa in his hunting club. This generation, the ones who play video games that is, can be turned int killing machines like nothing. I coould go to war and come back less emotionally scarred than someone who faught in vietnam because I've killed hundreds of thousands of simulated people, aliens, robots, and zombies. Watch the way a kid plays House of the Dead or Virtua Cop next time your in an arcade and you will see what im talking about.

Exactly! These games desensitize young kids to bloodletting. It's virtual or simulated but you don't need to feel the actual warmth of blood on your hands get a taste of it...

[Jab902]

i bet he just says mate to make himself feel better that he lives in his partents house and hes probly like 32 WATTA FAG haha

anyway any come backs u got..just dont say em cuz if u do ur gay, its the internet

anyway...Yes we are trained killers before the age of 18, i love killing things in the arcade..im good at it, does that make me wrong?