Pro Boxer Vs Pro Martial Artist.

[Richard Kerr]

Even lesser experienced boxers can defend themeselves. Look at Kimbo.

It helps that he's really stocky and works out alot, but it looks like he's got about 6 months of boxing (has the fundamentals).

I say being relaxed in a fight comes from confidence and courage and this improves control, reflex speed, power and accuracy.

Excellent footwork + head movement, correct relavent and energy efficient solid effective techniques, and also the intent and abillity to apply relavent force efficiently are the key factors in a full contact stand up or submissions fight.

Boxing skills and training alone wont win you a fight against any well rounded and experienced MMA'ist or a well rounded street fighter. Even if the boxer does know how to fight dirty.

Unless of course the well rounded fighter loses their brains completely and decides not to use their advantage and decides to stand toe to toe with the boxer and exchange punches with them.

Does anyone think pro Thai boxers are more effective on the street than pro MMA'ist?

[nutter]

I thinks pro MMAers have an edge but boxing and thai boxing are cool right mate. Pro Aikidoers wouldn't stand a chance though.

[blitz]

Usually in street fights, people don't ask about your martial arts experience before you fight them. The fight just happens and whether you face a pro boxer or a pro MMA'r is a matter of lucky! And your very unlucky if you do.

[Sagacious Lu]

I say being relaxed in a fight comes from confidence and courage and this improves control, reflex speed, power and accuracy.

Excellent footwork + head movement, correct, relavent, energy efficiency, solid effective techniques, and also the intent and abillity to apply relavent force efficiently are the key factors in a full contact stand up or submissions fight.

Boxing skills and training alone wont win you a fight against any well rounded and experienced MMA'ist or a well rounded street fighter. Even if the boxer does know how to fight dirty.

Unless of course they lose their brains completely and decide not to use their advantage and stand toe to toe with the boxer and exchange punches with them.

Does anyone think pro Thai boxers are more effective on the street than pro MMA'ist?

I think we can stroke our chins about hypotheticals all we want, but unless we know who the individuals are and what the situation is we won't get a real answer. Who are our hypothetial MMAs/Thai Fighters/Boxers? Street fighting is about street smarts more than anything so I think an untrained, hard nosed kid from around the way has a vicous advantage over a sportsman no matter how well prepared for the ring or the cage they are. I also think asking which style or sport would win is just like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. To me the important question is "which skills should I focus on next to improve my personal practice?"

[blitz]

I think we can stroke our chins about hypotheticals all we want, but unless we know who the individuals are and what the situation is we won't get a real answer. Who are our hypothetial MMAs/Thai Fighters/Boxers? Street fighting is about street smarts more than anything so I think an untrained, hard nosed kid from around the way has a vicous advantage over a sportsman no matter how well prepared for the ring or the cage they are. I also think asking which style or sport would win is just like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. To me the important question is "which skills should I focus on next to improve my personal practice?"

Don't bother trying with this guy.

[Tom Yum]

Usually in street fights, people don't ask about your martial arts experience before you fight them. The fight just happens and whether you face a pro boxer or a pro MMA'r is a matter of lucky! And your very unlucky if you do.

This is true. Assaults are different than fights.

Assaults happen when someone closes in quick and tries to injure you as soon as possible to take your money, get revenge whatever. So whomever is able to take the upperhand is the one that would get by.

Fights that escalate from arguments are different. They don't ask about martial arts experience, correct - but you don't ask about weapons they might be holding.

[blitz]

I'm excluding weapons because of a comment he made in the other thread. Weapons are a whole different thing. BUT IT STILL HELPS that you have a little experience. But I have to agree with a statemant Tant made even though anyone can make it! "The man with the weapon ALWAYS has the upper hand"

[Tom Yum]

Boxing skills and training alone wont win you a fight against any well rounded and experienced MMA'ist or a well rounded street fighter. Even if the boxer does know how to fight dirty.

Unless of course the well rounded fighter loses their brains completely and decides not to use their advantage and stands toe to toe with the boxer and exchange punches with them.

Does anyone think pro Thai boxers are more effective on the street than pro MMA'ist?

I don't know.....

too many considerations. If the MMA ist gets a takedown, the muaythai fighter is in trouble. We're assuming they square off...

[Richard Kerr]

Usually in street fights, people don't ask about your martial arts experience before you fight them. The fight just happens and whether you face a pro boxer or a pro MMA'r is a matter of lucky! And your very unlucky if you do.

To fight someone you know nothing about is just plain foolish. No one is invincible. You would not want to have a street fight with a man that belongs to the Mafia and get yourself shot in the head would you now? Sometimes you cannot win even if you win.

[blitz]

And what you are saying is quite foolish too. Shit happens dude, when someone punches you on the street you wont wait till he beats the shit out of you to know who he is then think about fighting him, you do it!

[Richard Kerr]

I think we can stroke our chins about hypotheticals all we want, but unless we know who the individuals are and what the situation is we won't get a real answer. Who are our hypothetial MMAs/Thai Fighters/Boxers? Street fighting is about street smarts more than anything so I think an untrained, hard nosed kid from around the way has a vicous advantage over a sportsman no matter how well prepared for the ring or the cage they are. I also think asking which style or sport would win is just like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. To me the important question is "which skills should I focus on next to improve my personal practice?"

Excellent post.

[Richard Kerr]

And what you are saying is quite foolish too. Shit happens dude, when someone punches you on the street you wont wait till he beats the shit out of you to know who he is then think about fighting him, you do it!

I do not know if there are any sychopaths planning on sucker punching me in the face for no reason what so ever. Like I was saying there are alot of foolish people out there. However I feel sorry for people that have nothing better to do with their energy than punching people they don't even know.

[Tant01]

Phui...

I'm excluding weapons because of a comment he made in the other thread. Weapons are a whole different thing. BUT IT STILL HELPS that you have a little experience. But I have to agree with a statemant Tant made even though anyone can make it! "The man with the weapon ALWAYS has the upper hand"

A man with INTENT is a dangerous man.

The weapon is just an extention of the man. The whole concept of this thread is flawed. A boxer has his weapons (fists) the MAist has his weapons. It's not the determining factor of who will prevail. The primary difference is in who has more experience/ realistic training in the application of his tools?

The efficiency of the art depends on the skilful application of theoretical knowledge developed upon the experience of centuries.
Gunji Koizumi

[Warrior189]

I think we can stroke our chins about hypotheticals all we want, but unless we know who the individuals are and what the situation is we won't get a real answer. Who are our hypothetial MMAs/Thai Fighters/Boxers? Street fighting is about street smarts more than anything so I think an untrained, hard nosed kid from around the way has a vicous advantage over a sportsman no matter how well prepared for the ring or the cage they are. I also think asking which style or sport would win is just like arguing over which came first, the chicken or the egg. To me the important question is "which skills should I focus on next to improve my personal practice?"

The part of the untrained fighter will have the advantage against a trained fighter I dont really agree with. A trained fighter are disciplined. They would know when is the right time for them to attack without using a lot of their engery n they're training builds more stamia for that peron so they can go longer.

For the street fighter they are not disciplined, so they wont have the stamia or the skill to win most of the time. The only way I think they could win is by having connection with people, them having a weapon or them just being really lucky in a fight.

[Richard Kerr]

The part of the untrained fighter will have the advantage against a trained fighter I dint really agree with. A trained fighter are disciplined. They would know when is the right time for them to attack without using a lot of their energy n they're training builds more stamina for that person so they can go longer.

For the street fighter they are not disciplined, so they wont have the stamina or the skill to win most of the time. The only way I think they could win is by having connection with people, them having a weapon or them just being really lucky in a fight.

For now I agree. I may contradict myself again though and make myself a hypocrite.