Right in the balls!!!

[kingoftheforest]

Rock heads

I guess no one noticed the part in my quote that said...if you can't tell the diffrence between a self defense situation and little shit....... I meant if you think some guy mouthing off to you or talking shit or anything that to a reasonable person would not mean life or death than that is NOT I repeat NOT and SD situation. if some guy makes eyes at your lady get over it that's not the kinfd of situation I that is me kingoftheforest am talking about.


Now some guy in a parking lot pulls an kinfe on you or charges you screaming than that's an SD situation.

That couldn't be any clearer this time folks. thanks

[Tom Yum]

Well said, kingoftheforest.

[treelizard]

I voted no. Mechanical compliance, not pain compliance. imo

[nutter]

I guess no one noticed the part in my quote that said...if you can't tell the diffrence between a self defense situation and little shit....... I meant if you think some guy mouthing off to you or talking shit or anything that to a reasonable person would not mean life or death than that is NOT I repeat NOT and SD situation. if some guy makes eyes at your lady get over it that's not the kinfd of situation I that is me kingoftheforest am talking about.


Now some guy in a parking lot pulls an kinfe on you or charges you screaming than that's an SD situation.

That couldn't be any clearer this time folks. thanks

Mate, you are still making the mistake BoarSpear is guilty of.

Pretty much everyone agrees that fighting for ego isn't SD.

And we all agree that someone pulling a knife on you is life and death SD.


BUT, what about the middle ground? Not all SD is someone trying to kill you right.

[Tom Yum]

BUT, what about the middle ground? Not all SD is someone trying to kill you right.

Yes. The grey area. Physical intimidation - when someone grabs ahold of you or gets you in a non-submission type hold.

I don't think this warrants deadly force. Just enough to free yourself. If the situation warrants the possibility of escalation into deadly violence (location, further details) you may be able to adjust I suppose.

Face it though, if someone backs you up into the wall, grabs you in some kind of hold and you reverse it, chances are they're not going to backdown when you let loose. Their gonna be more angry than injured.

But you have to make that attempt.

[kingoftheforest]

I voted no. Mechanical compliance, not pain compliance. imo

Well I like to use it in tandem with other things. And most men will flinch when something is directed at their crotch. I don't rely on the crotch shot as any main weapon, just added fun.

[treelizard]

Can you really feel it if you've got adrenaline running through ya? One guy I know said he was kneed during his blackbelt test and didn't realize it until later. It didn't stop him.

Another concern for me is that most guys *will* flinch or possibly grab your leg making it harder to run away.

But the situation dictates, and his reaction may buy you a second to get away or get in a better position. if I was to go for a groin shot I would definitely use my knee, and go UP as far as I could.

[nutter]

Yes. The grey area. Physical intimidation - when someone grabs ahold of you or gets you in a non-submission type hold.

I don't think this warrants deadly force. Just enough to free yourself. If the situation warrants the possibility of escalation into deadly violence (location, further details) you may be able to adjust I suppose.

Face it though, if someone backs you up into the wall, grabs you in some kind of hold and you reverse it, chances are they're not going to backdown when you let loose. Their gonna be more angry than injured.

But you have to make that attempt.

No mate, you just ain't getting it. There is a level of force in between using "just enough to free yourself" and "deadly force", it's called twatting them in the face innit. It's what you do when some geezer is trying to smash your face in right, you know in self defence.

[Sagacious Lu]

Can you really feel it if you've got adrenaline running through ya? One guy I know said he was kneed during his blackbelt test and didn't realize it until later. It didn't stop him.

I wouldn't want to gamble my continued good health on any single unarmed attack. Groin strikes are great but you don't stop attacking just because you landed one good shot.

[treelizard]

I wouldn't want to gamble my continued good health on any single unarmed attack. Groin strikes are great but you don't stop attacking just because you landed one good shot.

Well of course, you keep attacking until you get away. But assuming you are unarmed and may only have the chance to get one or two strikes in... Would you go for a groin shot, or would you go for something else?

I guess I am incredibly biased in that my m.o. is to get away as soon as possible and with the assumption of disparity of force; therefore I would likely avoid pain compliance in favor of mechanical compliance, and I would stray away from techniques that might re-engage with the attacker in favor of getting away as soon as possible.

But I wanted to hear other's opinions.

[kingoftheforest]

Endorphines do help you ignore some pain in a fight, and yes the person may flinch towards you.....but as far as I'm concerned if you threaten me enough to ball shot you then you moving towards me is right where I want you. I find it is always easier to get away from an incapacitated assaliant.

Also kicking isn't the only way to get at the groin slaps work real well too.

Now thats just dirty fighting right...well I call it staying alive.

[Sagacious Lu]

Well of course, you keep attacking until you get away. But assuming you are unarmed and may only have the chance to get one or two strikes in... Would you go for a groin shot, or would you go for something else?

I guess I am incredibly biased in that my m.o. is to get away as soon as possible and with the assumption of disparity of force; therefore I would likely avoid pain compliance in favor of mechanical compliance, and I would stray away from techniques that might re-engage with the attacker in favor of getting away as soon as possible.

But I wanted to hear other's opinions.

To my mind the eyes, throat, or groin are the targets I'm looking to hit to (assuming I'm unarmed) but of those three I can land a snap kick to the groin faster and from further away than I can hit the other targets. What technique/target do you prefer?

[treelizard]

To my mind the eyes, throat, or groin are the targets I'm looking to hit to (assuming I'm unarmed) but of those three I can land a snap kick to the groin faster and from further away than I can hit the other targets. What technique/target do you prefer?

Well as far as empty hand, I'd say any kind of mechanical compliance, where I can pivot and use the entire weight of my body against someone. The technique depends on the situation I'm in, though.

[Tom Yum]

Also kicking isn't the only way to get at the groin slaps work real well too.
Now thats just dirty fighting right...well I call it staying alive.

That's actually a great technique in both chinese MA and boxing, except in boxing its just a low uppercut.

Sifu James McNeil (i believe he is a mantis practitioner) does this one.

[kingoftheforest]

Yep

Learned it from a few CMA's and street fighting techniques as well as bouncing in clubs, dance and the gentlemen's variety lol.