Which grappling art should I do?

[Junka]

I thought I would come and be reasonable and try to persuade them with basic logic rather than just make fun of them.......There's really no point to using logic or rationality with some of the posters here - it's much better to just make fun of them and let everyone see how silly their claims really are.

I'm there too. I came on and simply stated an opinion at which point it all got very personal very quickly.

TTE You've accused me of evading but if you phrase your questions as insults then I'm not going to respond to them. If you ask a simple logical question, or state a clear calm opinion, for the purpose of furthering this debate then I'll take part. This isn't a matter of running away I simply have better uses of my time than trading insults.

J.

[Tant01]

Virtual sparring...

I'm there too. I came on and simply stated an opinion at which point it all got very personal very quickly.

TTE You've accused me of evading but if you phrase your questions as insults then I'm not going to respond to them. If you ask a simple logical question, or state a clear calm opinion, for the purpose of furthering this debate then I'll take part. This isn't a matter of running away I simply have better uses of my time than trading insults.

J.

No one is scoring points by being offensive. Verbal judo is also about good sportsmanship... sorta implies knowing the rules?

The thing I've noticed that seperates the folks here is the approach to conflict in general. Be it virtual or otherwise some of us CHOOSE to escalate as opposed to de-escalate?

If that makes sense? It's no more significant than virtual reputation on some forum...

On the one hand we have defensive type fighters who wait and reply with a jab or two. And then there's the blood and guts guys that consider it honorable to go down in a BLAZE of glory!

Nothing like savoring the blood of your enemies, eh?

Hope we're all having FUN?

Thanks for reading me.

[kingoftheforest]

No one is scoring points by being offensive. Verbal judo is also about good sportsmanship... sorta implies knowing the rules?

The thing I've noticed that seperates the folks here is the approach to conflict in general. Be it virtual or otherwise some of us CHOOSE to escalate as opposed to de-escalate?

If that makes sense? It's no more significant than virtual reputation on some forum...

On the one hand we have defensive type fighters who wait and reply with a jab or two. And then there's the blood and guts guys that consider it honorable to go down in a BLAZE of glory!

Nothing like savoring the blood of your enemies, eh?

Hope we're all having FUN?

Thanks for reading me.

As always the sound voice of reason. Thanks for the interesting and humorous turn of perspective. It does look sorta silly from this angle.

[Tant01]

If I study a "gentle" art and learn to sweep the advancing foot at the exact MOMENT that his balance is dedicated to his next step... Doesn't mean I can't destroy the supporting leg...

I just don't like hearing a grown man SCREAM in pain, suffer the trauma and surgery to repair it, healing and rehabilitation.

Sometimes it's just more merciful to slay things quickly.

Unless you enjoy the proverbial "chicken" dance?

LMAO

[Junka]

Ok good post Tant01

Copied and understood.

[kingoftheforest]

Stand Up against multiple opponents.

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BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

PST OAKLAND -- A 23-year-old visitor from the East Coast had just gotten money from an ATM when he told his friend on a cell phone that he had a bad feeling about two men approaching him at the Fruitvale BART Station in Oakland.

His worst fears were realized when one suspect, Victor Veliz, 18, held a folding knife with a 5-inch blade to his neck and the other, Christopher Gonzalez, 18, threatened to shoot him Thursday night, authorities said.

In a blind panic, he lashed out at his attackers, grabbing the knife from one of them and punching the other as his friend listened in horror on the phone.

Without realizing it, authorities say, the man stabbed Gonzalez in the chest. Gonzalez stumbled to his family's home around the corner, collapsed into his father's arms and died.

Veliz, who is affiliated with a gang, was arrested at Gonzalez's home after police allegedly found him with the East Coast visitor's cell phone. He will be charged with murder in the death of his accomplice, along with a robbery count, prosecutors said.

The robbery victim suffered only cuts in fighting off his assailants. He ran from the station, flagged down an Oakland police officer on Fruitvale Avenue and turned over the bloody knife. His name was not released.

The man was "scared senseless" when he was attacked about 9:30 p.m. Thursday, said Allison Danzig, an Alameda County deputy district attorney. He acted in self-defense and will not be charged, she said.




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Here's something from the real world on the subject.

[Tant01]

What?

Ok good post Tant01

Copied and understood.

Like there was a point to my post?

I'm just saying some of us take ourselves WAY too seriously?

Not saying it applies to anyone in particular?

Many here KNOW where I'm comming from but I don't expect proponents of Cobb's traverse to really understand "combat". Yes. I've been at gun point. Yes, I've been at knife point. Nothing so adventurous as your duty but no less deadly. Bullets don't really care who we are...

I'm living proof that "shit happens" and some of us live to tell about it...



That is all.

[Tant01]

love a happy ending...

Stand Up against multiple opponents.

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BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

PST OAKLAND -- A 23-year-old visitor from the East Coast had just gotten money from an ATM when he told his friend on a cell phone that he had a bad feeling about two men approaching him at the Fruitvale BART Station in Oakland.

His worst fears were realized when one suspect, Victor Veliz, 18, held a folding knife with a 5-inch blade to his neck and the other, Christopher Gonzalez, 18, threatened to shoot him Thursday night, authorities said.

In a blind panic, he lashed out at his attackers, grabbing the knife from one of them and punching the other as his friend listened in horror on the phone.

Without realizing it, authorities say, the man stabbed Gonzalez in the chest. Gonzalez stumbled to his family's home around the corner, collapsed into his father's arms and died.

Veliz, who is affiliated with a gang, was arrested at Gonzalez's home after police allegedly found him with the East Coast visitor's cell phone. He will be charged with murder in the death of his accomplice, along with a robbery count, prosecutors said.

The robbery victim suffered only cuts in fighting off his assailants. He ran from the station, flagged down an Oakland police officer on Fruitvale Avenue and turned over the bloody knife. His name was not released.

The man was "scared senseless" when he was attacked about 9:30 p.m. Thursday, said Allison Danzig, an Alameda County deputy district attorney. He acted in self-defense and will not be charged, she said.




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Here's something from the real world on the subject.

There are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule! Sadly many times the victims are helpless, feeble or infirmed. Sometimes they can't even escape a fire.

There was a recent shooting in a retirement home on the news involving several victims and an officer wounded...

Victims are many, heros few...

[Junka]

Like there was a point to my post?

Hmmmmm well kinda, a meandering, wandering sort of point but a point non the less
Anyways it was a funny post.

BTW What is 'Cobb's traverse' ?

[Tant01]

Lol

Hmmmmm well kinda, a meandering, wandering sort of point but a point non the less
Anyways it was a funny post.

BTW What is 'Cobb's traverse' ?

You have the whole Internet at your fingertips...

The art of retreat...See the 9th parry.

[Tant01]

BTW no one should take it as an insult personally. More of my personal gripe against the mindset...

TY

[kingoftheforest]

Just so we are clear on how I feel about carrying a gun also.

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According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.

Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection -- a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.)

In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first -- disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn't make any difference.

In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn't be called "newsworthy" by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare -- well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

In over half of these gun defense incidents, the defender was facing two or more attackers -- and three or more attackers in over a quarter of these cases. (No means of defense other than a firearm -- martial arts, pepper spray, or stun guns -- gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured when facing multiple attackers.)

In 79.7% of these gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occured in places away from the defender's home.


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In case something was misconstrued.

[Junka]

I never retreat, but sometimes I fall back

[Junka]

That's a very good gun defense article BTW

In South Africa now it's getting harder and harder to legally own one. Guess someone forgot to tell the criminals it's illegal, eh

[jubaji]

you won't get the point, but others will

And just ignore the fact that an 80 yr old from a 3rd world country took out a "trained" Marine because it doesn't fit your argument.

In 2008, a daschund ate one of its owner's toes while she was sleeping. I guess this means that is a very likely occurance and that dangerous breed should be greatly feared, right?