Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[muaythaiart.com]

Muay Thai is the best.

[WildWest.]

Muay Thai is one of the arts I train in and have been doing it for about 9 years now. I strongly believe in its hard sparring, no nonsense and direct striking techniques and its physical conditioning. I'm sure if I ever need to use it in the street, i'd like to think it will be most helpful.

However, I have a friend at our Muay Thai club who is also a 3rd dan in Wing Chun and he told me a story about one of his Wing Chun club members who effectively used his skill in his work place. This guy works in an auto transmission garage when one day an angry and aggressive guy on "P", or methamphetamine, comes in and starts to attack him. The guy floored him several times with his Wing Chun techniques i.e punches, elbows etc until he was a bloody mess. Keep in mind the guy didn't stay down until he was well and truly beaten due to the drugs in his system. The guys Wing Chun training worked in this scenario so, by this rationale, does have some merit on the street.

There is always an exception to the rule.

[m_calingo]

Good to hear this coming from a Muay Thai man.

[Thai Bri]

That's great. This Wing Chun guy even had a Japanese ranking in a Chinese system! Multi cultural recognition for his skills!

If true (as if! haw haw haw!) it clearly shows that Wing Chun does not have KO power. Yes, drugs can give someone immense pain tolerance. But they don't stop the brain shake and KO from a solid blow in the right place.

[WildWest.]

It's a true story and I agree with you regarding the unusual ranking for their WC system.....it turns out their instructor is also Chinese which makes it even more ironic.

Interesting what you say about the KO power...I hadn't looked at it from that perspective. Perhaps Wing Chun relies too much on quick techniques which annoy an opponent rather than finish them?

[OctaviousBP]

[white devil]

is that Buakaw Por Pramuk to the left? hes awesome..why is he doing chi sau again?

[white devil]

hey by the way..just by the way..had anyone notice that we only hear stories from a friend of a friend of someone?

id like to hear personal experiences of wing chun..if it's your daughter'boyfriend's dad..we don't wanna hear it.

[WildWest.]

I respect that White Devil. Admittedly I am cynical too when it comes to hearing stories second hand, but this one really is true.

I don't like bullshit either.

[gabbah]

is that Buakaw Por Pramuk to the left? hes awesome..why is he doing chi sau again?

Yes it is, and is he?

[PETRIE]

Wingchun V Muay Thai

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

[jubaji]

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

psssssst.........stop. just stop.

[Tom Yum]

There are probably some master level wingchun practitioners that have put their art to use in self defense and made it work. If you can hit extremely fast and hard, you can potentially put someone out.

At the mid to lower levels, I'd imagine that most wing chun pracitioners would get smoked by a boxer or muay thai fighter with equivalent training time. I'm not saying wing chun is useless; I'm saying that it just takes a longer time to be effective.

This is usually due to training methods not being dynamic enough (no spontaneous, continuos fighting-grappling work) or conditioning.

I have used the center line theory many times in grappling. It works! Bruce Lee's base art was wing chun and he could throw a lead finger jab at the eyes, throat, solar plexus etc. EXTREMELY quick.

I'm certain wingchun has many useful principles; but like Bri mentioned how long do you have to do sticky hands until you're effective?

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

see this is part of wing chuns problems and it does have a couple...i.e it is extremly effective in close...but unless you have been tutored in the correct applications of the entry techniques,you would be a duck in the water against a proficient kicker...however once you are in close wing chun does has some very nice "tools" including plenty of elbows,chockes,sweeps and kicks...the other problem is that it can be a difficult style to fully understand...eg chi sau doesn't actually have anything to do directly with fighting,it is simply a "tool" to allow you to feel your opponents openings and to apply your techniques in a safe and controlled way...it doesn't teach you directly how to punch or kick...i.e. how you are going to finish the fight...but what it does eventually develop into is a type of auto pilot that can be used in a fight...it is where a lot ( not all) of wingchuns speed comes from...but then i guess that thai bri already knows all this!!!

[Garland]

see this is part of wing chuns problems and it does have a couple...i.e it is extremly effective in close...but unless you have been tutored in the correct applications of the entry techniques,you would be a duck in the water against a proficient kicker...however once you are in close wing chun does has some very nice "tools" including plenty of elbows,chockes,sweeps and kicks...the other problem is that it can be a difficult style to fully understand...eg chi sau doesn't actually have anything to do directly with fighting,it is simply a "tool" to allow you to feel your opponents openings and to apply your techniques in a safe and controlled way...it doesn't teach you directly how to punch or kick...i.e. how you are going to finish the fight...but what it does eventually develop into is a type of auto pilot that can be used in a fight...it is where a lot ( not all) of wingchuns speed comes from...but then i guess that thai bri already knows all this!!!

uh...huh? where'd u come from?