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wing chun v muay thai
ooo here we have a forum where you can express your views on martial arts...as long as you agree with the two or three biggest gobs on here...if not you recieve a barrage of verbal abuse and ooo americain english lessons aswell...with punctuation...spelling and grammer...what a fucking waste of time you biggoted twats!!!Comment
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Originally posted by PETRIE View Post
Ugh.
Kid, get your shit together before you become another short-time troll.
It would really improve your ability to express yourself in a manner more likely to garner respect if you showed some (any!) facility with the English language and didn't write as if you were chewing on lead paint chips.
"Bigoted"?
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wing chun v muay thai
respect...don't make me laugh...that is what this has all been about...but then i guess you can't see that...and you won't until you clear the shit from your eyes...so everybody here can dis wing chun...but the moment a wing chun person stands up...they are being disrespectful...**** you...if i want english lessons i would seek them out...i don't expect people to ram them down my throat...i suppose you feel it makes you bigger and better than me...but that's just your illusion and you are welcome to it...as for your condescending manner...well,thanks for the advice in the private messages,but to be honest with you i couldn't give a monkeys about this forum...like i said before bigoted and extremely narrow minded...why would i want to stay for that...i thought i could come on here and have a good sensible chat instead i was met with a barrage of bigoted verbal abuse...you can shove this forum up your ARSE...i'm sure you have the room...**** YOUComment
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I agree with Thai Bri concerning Chi Sao. There is such a huge misunderstanding about what Chi Sao is for. It is a "sensitivity drill", and it does teach sensitivity, but only for one application, and that application is not found in BJJ and the like. The application is "sticking"
Someone noted earlier that everyone talks about a friend of a friend. I'll talk about myself. I have successfully used "sticking" techs against JKD, Boxing, and various Kali practitioners. Note, these are all stand up guys.
Sticking is a skill that is unnecessary to the successful outcome of a fight, but I personally trained it because I wanted it. For those of you who have trained in Wing Chun and found Chi Sao to be pointless, you are partially correct. I say partially, because the practice of Chi Sao takes a long time to realize the ability to stick naturally and at high speed. I practiced 4 years before it finally clicked. Do I have an edge because of it? Maybe, but not enough to matter on a consistent basis.
After seven years of studying Wing Chun sticking became like riding a bicycle. It has been ten years since I finished the system, and sticking is still as natural to me as walking, but I've only practiced Chi Sao twice in the past ten years, and one of those times was as a demonstration.
So Thai Bri is correct in his accessment. To all the other Wing Chun Pracs, if you have only studied a year or two, you still have a long way to go. If you've studied more, then you know what I'm saying is true regardless of the mindless disputes that exist in the WC world.
PS - the reason WC doesn't work most the time for most WC Pracs is that it is not a natural style, it is difficult to master, and there are systems out there that can have you up and running in much shorter time. WC is basically for very strange people who have the time and desire to put in the KUNG and the FU necessary to make the system work.Comment
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Hey! Don't go hijacking this thread! We're talking punctuation here!
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Wow, this is nice stuff. I agree 100%.Originally posted by Sly Dog View Post
When I first started Wing Chun, it was really awkward. The most awkward deflection technique was the "bong sao." But after several years of training, it's now natural. However, I still have a long ways before I'll truly master it.
Mauy Thai, on the other hand, definately gets you up and running in a much shorter time. I was told by senior students that I'll learn all the basics within 6 months.
In my opinion, both are effective (as a sport). That's why I'm learning both of them.
However, I'm not sure about effectiveness in street fighting though. Most of the street fights I've seen at school and on the news are usually 5 against 1 sort of thing. And the 5 opponents are usally armed with knives or bats. I don't care which martial art you learn, but if you have 5 armed opponents, I recommend you run as fast as you can and call the police.Comment
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Re-read the previous posts about wingchun, PETRIE.Originally posted by PETRIE View Post
Several of us wrote that its more about the artist than the art itself. If the artist is willing to train realistically, the art becomes effective.
Wingchun is a little more complex than other arts, but less complex than an art like aikido (sorry aikido folks). The more complex the art is, the more it depends on finely tuned motor skills. To make fine motor skills work under stress, you'd probably have to drill those skills 500 more times than more basic skills.
It takes more time to make a more complex art like wingchun work compared to a more simple art, like boxing or muaythai.
PS - Forgive me for the flowery, high-brow writing style.Comment
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Any time, Bri.Originally posted by Thai Bri View PostThanks to the guys here who supported me. Brought a tear t my eyes.... - And, in all fairness, I do like the muppets!.
There are other voices he is supressing too. C'mon Bri, you can't just bring up one of them and leave us guessing at the rest...Originally posted by Thai Bri View Post
PETRIE, we keep things light hearted here. If you want to have more fun, participate more often in our discussions but don't get so bent out of shape.Comment
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Most of the fights you see on the news have weapons in them because that's what sells... they are but a minority of a fraction of a fraction of a minority of fights. And what school do you go to where 5 guys with bats and knives are jumping people... Sounds nothing like the norm. Whenever you handle that kinda business, you make sure you're outa a school zone... madd cops and the law will hit you harder.Originally posted by ZeroAquaduct View PostWow, this is nice stuff. I agree 100%.
When I first started Wing Chun, it was really awkward. The most awkward deflection technique was the "bong sao." But after several years of training, it's now natural. However, I still have a long ways before I'll truly master it.
Mauy Thai, on the other hand, definately gets you up and running in a much shorter time. I was told by senior students that I'll learn all the basics within 6 months.
In my opinion, both are effective (as a sport). That's why I'm learning both of them.
However, I'm not sure about effectiveness in street fighting though. Most of the street fights I've seen at school and on the news are usually 5 against 1 sort of thing. And the 5 opponents are usally armed with knives or bats. I don't care which martial art you learn, but if you have 5 armed opponents, I recommend you run as fast as you can and call the police.Comment
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Thai Bri,
I apologize for high jacking the thread. I'll try to keep to the more important matters here, like using a semi-colon to bludgeon my opponents, or maybe some of these MAs would like to explain the best way to defend themselves against a question mark
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Those multiple opponent fights were quite common. It's all back in high school in the mid-90s. If you live in my area (Richmond, BC), you'll know what I'm talking about. Extortion was a HUGE problem back then.Originally posted by J-Luck View PostComment
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Well then, you are 100% RIGHT!
We sghould all gear our training towards what happened at your highschool 10 years ago......Comment
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I'm not entirely in agreement.Originally posted by Sly Dog View Post
ON TB's point regarding Clinchwork etc, we're missing each other.
The point in Chi Sau is the same, or perhaps more important depending on what you've gotten from it.
The point is to be tactile and not just perform pre-determined patterns of movement.
I'll personally credit Chi Sau with giving me ideas that contribute to clinch and grappling work, whereas TB might want to focus on more realistic scenarios.
The scenario isn't important to me.
What's important is that I'm tactile, so performing rote reactions in clinch work eg 'he pulls one way, so I knee other way' aren't truly tactile.
So many people are just going through 'motions' in practice, which is why drills and patterns patterns come under fire as being 'dead'.
I don't agree about the application being 'sticking'.
Finished, or finished with?It has been ten years since I finished the system
Have to disagree with both of you, but look forward to a good discussion.So Thai Bri is correct in his accessment. To all the other Wing Chun Pracs, if you have only studied a year or two, you still have a long way to go. If you've studied more, then you know what I'm saying is true regardless of the mindless disputes that exist in the WC world.
Me personally?PS - the reason WC doesn't work most the time for most WC Pracs is that it is not a natural style, it is difficult to master, and there are systems out there that can have you up and running in much shorter time. WC is basically for very strange people who have the time and desire to put in the KUNG and the FU necessary to make the system work.
You get out of anything what you put in.
Sometimes you put the wrong things in and feel short changed.
What I would say (doubting that anyone in particular is paying attention) is;
Don't train with student of top guy, or student of student of top guy.
Train with Top guy!
If you then have criticisms or questions, ask Top Guy before quitting.
Then tell Top guy why you are quitting.
That's the best way of maintaining quality in MA, not bad-mouthing other peoples work on web forums.
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