advantage over grapplers

[kanik]

hi all sorry if a thread like this has allready been started before but anywho. How the hell can i beat grapplers? i hate fighting them, i can beat them but with a hell of a lot more dificulty then punchers/kickers so any advice would be awsome, also for my friend advice for grapplers vs. punchers would be nice, heck some simple holds/locks, etc. would also be good, i guess the world on a golden platter would also serve to my liking.... peace out


Kanik

[Tom Yum]

hi all sorry if a thread like this has allready been started before but anywho. How the hell can i beat grapplers? i hate fighting them, i can beat them but with a hell of a lot more dificulty then punchers/kickers so any advice would be awsome, also for my friend advice for grapplers vs. punchers would be nice, heck some simple holds/locks, etc. would also be good, i guess the world on a golden platter would also serve to my liking.... peace out


Kanik

Try learning some grappling, like judo, freestyle wrestling or jiujitsu.

Good luck

[kanik]

Try learning some grappling, like judo, freestyle wrestling or jiujitsu.

Good luck

yeh that would be cool the only problem with that is i dont have anywhere to learn them... i have two friends that are pretty good at jiujitsu, one is in america the other in england and i am in australia.... damn... i practice countering grabs and stuff with my other friends though, but the only problem is we only have limited knowledge of grabs, throws etc.

[SamuraiGuy]

yeh that would be cool the only problem with that is i dont have anywhere to learn them... i have two friends that are pretty good at jiujitsu, one is in america the other in england and i am in australia.... damn... i practice countering grabs and stuff with my other friends though, but the only problem is we only have limited knowledge of grabs, throws etc.

I dont want to sound like a dick, but practicing with your friends wont learn you shit when it comes to grappling.

Before I started grappling I could own all of my friends at grappling. When I started grappling I got mangled. By mangled I mean getting beat repeatedly in like 7 seconds by a person with one hand.

The point is, you need instruction and your really just wasting your time if you dont have it. As for beating a grappler... well from everything I've ever seen/learned, you need to learn to grapple, I'm sure theres somewhere you can do judo, or bjj, or wrestling in australia.

[kanik]

I dont want to sound like a dick, but practicing with your friends wont learn you shit when it comes to grappling.

Before I started grappling I could own all of my friends at grappling. When I started grappling I got mangled. By mangled I mean getting beat repeatedly in like 7 seconds by a person with one hand.

The point is, you need instruction and your really just wasting your time if you dont have it. As for beating a grappler... well from everything I've ever seen/learned, you need to learn to grapple, I'm sure theres somewhere you can do judo, or bjj, or wrestling in australia.

nah you aint being a dick, just telling the truth. I can grapple somwhat from what i have been tought from the two friends i mentioned earlier, the only problem is when somone grapples me. also yeh there is places i can learn here, just none that i can get to... though maybe i just havent looked hard enough, i'll see what i can do.

[aseepish]

Where in Australia are you? If you're in a major city, there's most likely a judo club - check at the local university, they'll probably have a class that's open to the general public.

[kanik]

Where in Australia are you? If you're in a major city, there's most likely a judo club - check at the local university, they'll probably have a class that's open to the general public.

heya my sister is in uni, and yeh they do have a bunch of classes and stuff, the only problem is its a lil to far for me to go... where i live there is a couple martial arts and stuff around, there is a boxing club(i wanna go), karate(i am doing it atm), rhee TKD(i used to do it), hapkido(seems pretty damn cool), there is also some sort of samurai-ish weopons thingy that i cant remember the name of which seems allright though i dunno about its authenticity, and i think there may be somthing else... and the best thing is they are all in walking distance of where i live. So out of all those things i have gathered that hapkido does some grabbing stuff, and the TKD does a lil bit, so does the samurai thingy, though the samurai thing is more expensive then the rest... the main issue is money, coz otherwise i would be doing most of 'em ^_^.

[SnakePlissken]

If you're worried about throws and locks/counter-locks, I say go for the FMA family, specifically dumog.

While BJJ is the toast of the town, it is not effective for the street fight situation, unless you're using it to gain the quick advantage and get back up in a hurry. Ground fighting on broken glass, concrete, smashed brick, curbs, etc. Is not a good policy.

[jubaji]

While BJJ is the toast of the town, it is not effective for the street fight situation, unless you're using it to gain the quick advantage and get back up in a hurry. Ground fighting on broken glass, concrete, smashed brick, curbs, etc. Is not a good policy.

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[Uke]

kanik

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I guess jubaji like most grapplers would have everyone believe that the only way to beat a grappler is to be a grappler. That's what the BJJ craze promoted for years until Maurice Smith knocked out the top BJJ player at the time in those events with a strike. Once people saw that, they began focusing on their striking skills again and not just 20 minute "guard" bouts. Frank Shamrock went right to Smith and had him train him to strike and he immediately found more success. Then we saw Pete Williams knock out Mark Coleman, another top grappler with a kick to the face about a year later.

SnakePlissken's advice was fine and made more sense, kanik. Grapplers will always advocate other people grappling against them so that the more experienced grapplers can have a better chance of winning against you. Its like challenging Kobe Bryant to a game of basketball, or challenging Floyd Mayweather to a boxing match. You'd lose because that's what THEY do well. Common sense dictates that you don't attack strength, you attack weakness. That means that you wouldn't grapple a grappler, or strike a striker. FMA would teach you close quarter techniques that involve weapons, which would also help your empty hand techniques become more fluid and accurate. Most FMA systems teach some form of dumog(grappling) and grappling counter measures, so you'd be fine training in that skill set just like SnakePlissken wrote.

Since you asked and seem sincere about improving, I won't just give you empty advice. Below are schools all around Australia that you can visit to see for yourself if what I'm saying is true. Ask the instructors there the EXACT same question you posed on this topic, and see if what they tell you satisfies your dilemma.

Here's a link to a kung fu school located in Australia that addresses the problem that you wrote you had:

http://www.wingtsun.com.au/site/Gallery/Articles/wingtsunantigrappling.html

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http://www.wingtsun.com.au/site/Contact/contact.html

There seem to be a few of these schools doing well in Australia and they've adopted FMA into their system.

Here's info to FMA(filipino martial arts)in Australia:
IPMAF Chief Instructor Australia: Andy Elliot
Telephone: 03 9882 1316 | International +61 3 9882 1316
Mobile: 0412 450 250 | International: +61 412 450 250
E-mail: ipmaf@mssd.com.au
Web: www.mssd.com.au

Now you have the info to get you started, kanik. Good luck and train hard.

[jubaji]

I guess jubaji like most grapplers would have everyone believe that the only way to beat a grappler is to be a grappler. .

You really seem to like guessing don't you, punk?

[kingoftheforest]

I was wondering

Can some one explain to me the defensive aspects of grappling? How would you go about using grappling for defense.

Not offense but defense. What is grappling defense against a knife thrust per say?

[jubaji]

Can some one explain to me the defensive aspects of grappling? How would you go about using grappling for defense.

Not offense but defense. What is grappling defense against a knife thrust per say?

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[Uke]

Can some one explain to me the defensive aspects of grappling? How would you go about using grappling for defense.

Not offense but defense. What is grappling defense against a knife thrust per say?

If you're waiting for jubaji to explain ANYTHING don't hold your breath, KOTF. He never writes anything insightful. His salty comments and defense of grappling have the Matt Furey stench all over it. Mr. Arieson summed him up on another topic perfectly. And notice that he didn't once address anything in my post with facts? Kanik asked for advice and all he could do was post emoticons. This guy's apparently brimming with knowledge and experience.

But to answer your question KOTF, grappling defense, especially in BJJ and wrestling, is to hold on to your opponent until he gets tired of taking shots at you. Now if we go by what we've seen by the top grappling practitioners(excluding jubaji of course), once they get punched in the face(and they usually do) they shoot in so that you can't get velocity on your strikes. Then they either go for a double leg takedown or a sacrifice sweep which almost always puts them in the guard.

Once there, against a knife thrust, they would demonstrate the spiritual aspect of grappling and begin praying because they wouldn't have a snowball's shot in hell of doing anything except for bleeding on the guy with the knife. But that would make for an interesting contest:

Who passes out first? A guy in a triangle choke or the guy executing the triangle choke after getting stabbed in the ribs about 10 times?

Ponder that Pinky

[kingoftheforest]

If you're waiting for jubaji to explain ANYTHING don't hold your breath, KOTF. He never writes anything insightful. His salty comments and defense of grappling have the Matt Furey stench all over it. Mr. Arieson summed him up on another topic perfectly. And notice that he didn't once address anything in my post with facts? Kanik asked for advice and all he could do was post emoticons. This guy's apparently brimming with knowledge and experience.

But to answer your question KOTF, grappling defense, especially in BJJ and wrestling, is to hold on to your opponent until he gets tired of taking shots at you. Now if we go by what we've seen by the top grappling practitioners(excluding jubaji of course), once they get punched in the face(and they usually do) they shoot in so that you can't get velocity on your strikes. Then they either go for either a double leg takedown or a sacrifice sweep which almost always puts them in the guard.

Once there, against a knife thrust, they would demonstrate the spiritual aspect of grappling and begin praying because they wouldn't have a snowball's shot in hell of doing anything except for bleeding on the guy with the knife. But that would make for an interesting contest:

Who passes out first? A guy in a triangle choke or the guy executing the triangle choke after getting stabbed in the ribs about 10 times?

Ponder that Pinky

Thank you well said sir.