advantage over grapplers

[EmptyneSs]

When it all comes down to it, fighting is fighting, sport is sport. Something being 'tried and tested' in the ring does not make it effective in the street, it makes it good for sporting competitions.

I think anyone who truly believes that ground fighting is not only effective, but preferable in the street fight situation, and believes they can counter armed and/or multiple opponents from the ground needs to read this article:

http://www.donrearic.com/brokenglass.html

who is more likely to end up on the ground in a confrontation on the street, the guy who has extensive knowledge of grappling and how to avoid being taken down or the guy who doesnt?

a grappler getting into a fight on the street isnt going to try to go to the ground, he is most likely going to try to get you there. im sure some people who train in grappling are dumb as shit and might actually try to fight the way uke imagines grappling is to be used, fishing for tito ortiz style takedowns and whatnot, but im sure most people at the higher level would know better. the gracies are wack, im not talkin about them. and even then, its not the style. i mean, i seriously dont think anyone who is a dedicated grappler would try to pull guard on the street on concrete, but even if someone did its cause they were a dumb ****. and even still, i guarantee you that there are some experienced grapplers that probobly would be able to triangle or armlock someone immediately by pulling guard on the ground, and even on "broken glass", so you cant underestimate them either or not be prepared.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Whoa, i need to chill the **** down.........Im fuckin wasted..................................................................LOL. As for this thread..., This is the Urban Street combatives forum............Grappling is not for real street fighting, its for when you want to impress people and do for sport only............Omg!!!!!!!

[hEmPY]

diz article is jus a bitchin of a wannabe that triez to gain understandin

LOL

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

FUUUCK you!!!!!!!!

LOL

[Garland]

A little careful editing can ruin ANYTHING...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yOscJ2RS54&search=fightclub%20

oh, wait....were you two bitching about something stupid again?

[EmptyneSs]

Whoa, i need to chill the **** down.........Im fuckin wasted..................................................................LOL. As for this thread..., This is the Urban Street combatives forum............Grappling is not for real street fighting, its for when you want to impress people and do for sport only............Omg!!!!!!!

what will you do if your at the atm and some dude grabs you from behind? or if you get in some fight and someone stronger than you puts you in a fat headlock that you cant escape from? or what if your in the street and you get into a fight or confrontation that ends with someone sitting on your chest or holding you against the wall? having a knife is a good idea, but what if the dudes got your arms pinned and you just cant reach your blade? grappling has its place in self defense bro. as do a ton of other things.

[EmptyneSs]

A little careful editing can ruin ANYTHING...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yOscJ2RS54&search=fightclub%20

oh, wait....were you two bitching about something stupid again?

stop dropping hints garland. we get it already.

[hEmPY]

LOL

triangle, is it u wrote dat shit?

LOL

all dat shit bout broken glass, ya know when u get in a fight u dont choose to go on broken glass or not, so dont bitch bout it u lil homo

LOL

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I dont know what the **** youre talking about...........I wouldnt get into a fight unless some dude was talking shit to my face or i had to defend myself..................just stop trying to be an duecth!!

[EmptyneSs]

btw, alot of confrontations in real life are over stupid shit, not life death so you cant just shank your aggressor sometimes. mabye some dude is ultra drunk and puts his hands on your girl but is way too drunk to really know what he is doing and is not much of a threat. you cant just stab him through the armpit or kick through his kneecap and crush his throat. that aint crackin. experience in grappling will allow you to subdue and restrain people without hurting them if you wish yet at the same time being lethal( spine locks/ neck breaks/ strangles). look what a wack ass society we live in, people need to be physically restrained every single day. you never know when you will need to do it.

and if you dont believe it can be used for sd on the street, there is a purple belt from here who is serving time right now because he crushed some nazi punk dudes throat with collar choke instantly on the street. the guy was wearing a nice leather jacket. he died from the choke and was revived at the hospital. he didnt roll around on no glass.

[Uke]

how would you know? you dont participate in either. and what do you think throws are for? wrestling specializes in standup grappling, and employs tons of throws for the sole perpouse of putting your opponent to the ground, while staying on your feet yourself. judo does the same. you dont need to mount someone after you have thrown them on solid concrete.

again, you show how little you know about grappling. all you know about grappling is what you have seen in ufc matches.

So I don't know about grappling because you say so? And the facts that have been plainly laid out by me are inaccurate because of what? Where are your facts???? YOU HAVE NO FACTS! ONLY OPINIONS! Only BJJ/MMA sheep think that anyone who criticizes BJJ/MMA hasn't practiced it. More than that, there are plenty of other current BJJ practitioners at this site who wholeheartedly agree with what I've been saying. Don't blame me because you lack the ability to read those posts. They're still here. What are you waiting for?

But one of the most important points that conveniently never made its way to your reply was:

Isn't the ring BJJ/MMA's proving ground? Well they've proven that their throws are terrible and they can't use jujitsu on their feet.

In the ring, which is thee ONLY place where you grapplers "show and prove" your worth, 99% of grappler's victories are still on the ground. For all the talk of the stand up skills that wrestlers and BJJ's have, why is it that they never display any? Not Rickson. Not Royce. Not Royler. Not Nogueira. Why are you arguing this point when the facts show that grapplers' wins are almost all on the ground? None of them use stand up jujitsu to win. Its always newaza. And when it isn't its ground and pound, which isn't jujitsu. Or didn't you know that?

And then you have the balls to pretend that the way I described "grappling defense" was anything but accurate. Remember, KOTF asked about grappling defense, not offense. You do know the difference, right? But since you think that I am somehow in error, why don't you describe to us all what grappling defense is, emptyness? Go ahead. Write something about ground grappling defense that disputes what I wrote. Post it here so that everyone can see your grasp on the technical aspects of what you claim that you practice but I don't. Strike a blow for grapplers everywhere, emptyness.

BTW, no one said grappling is useless.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Stop arguing.......Uke knows what he's talking about!

[hEmPY]

lol *

[EmptyneSs]

So I don't know about grappling because you say so?

you cant possibly know much about grappling if your best way of using grappling skills for sd is to hold someone in your guard till they get tired lol. even most white belts have a better plan than that.

In the ring, which is thee ONLY place where you grapplers "show and prove" your worth, 99% of grappler's victories are still on the ground. For all the talk of the stand up skills that wrestlers and BJJ's have, why is it that they never display any? Not Rickson. Not Royce. Not Royler. Not Nogueira. Why are you arguing this point when the facts show that grapplers' wins are almost all on the ground? None of them use stand up jujitsu to win. Its always newaza. And when it isn't its ground and pound, which isn't jujitsu. Or didn't you know that?

lol dude, dont you get it? ma matches arent real life bro. sd confrontations dont take place between two skilled martial arts specialists, trying to score points for takedowns. thats why grappling for sd looks different than what you see in mma.

Remember, KOTF asked about grappling defense, not offense.

yeah, thats why i replied to him with examples of how grappling would be used for sd. refer to previous posts.

You do know the difference, right?

yup, too bad you dont though.

Write something about ground grappling defense that disputes what I wrote.

everything ive written has already done that, many times in fact. your own words dispute what you write lol. you say that grapplers only defense is holding you till you get tired, but then say what i said about grappling is correct. and what i said was completely different. i actually offered kotf a reasonable explanation of grappling defense, unlike you. again, refer to my previous posts.

[Shard]

When it all comes down to it, fighting is fighting, sport is sport. Something being 'tried and tested' in the ring does not make it effective in the street, it makes it good for sporting competitions.

I think anyone who truly believes that ground fighting is not only effective, but preferable in the street fight situation, and believes they can counter armed and/or multiple opponents from the ground needs to read this article:

http://www.donrearic.com/brokenglass.html

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How is it whenever the fight is on the ground, your opponent's friends will kick your head inside out and stomp your ears into a 7-inch pizza base.
If you keep the fight standing however, not only will these same friends not join in, they'll buy you drinks and they'll even let you sleep with their girlfriends.

Whenever the fight is on the ground, there is a hidden weapon. If its standing, the guy won't use a weapon. Or he'll act like a complete idiot flashing the knife around lik your sterotypical bad guy from a bad B-movie.


To anyone who thinks Martial Arts is an Effective form of Self Defense.You need to, in the words of my Chinese Langauge teacher, "WAKE UP OUR IDEA!".

Self-Defense, Street-defense what ever you call it, is first and foremost about, Awareness and Avoidance. Its not about who's the better fighter or has the bigger weapon. Its about who is smart enough to walk away from the fight.
And don't give me stupid "What-Ifs?" What if i'm cornered? What if i'm with children or elderly who can't run? What if i'm surrounded by 27 ninjas with Uzis and Katanas?
The point of awareness and avoidance is how not to get into that situation in the first place.
(Please <wow i said a nice word!> before you start flaming me for knowing nothing about "th3 str33t". Know this, i never said you don't need to know how to fight. What i'm saying is Self-defense/Street Defense is at the very least 70-80% awareness and avoidance above all else.)