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  • Purported Myths of Combative Training

    I'm interested in opinions regarding a couple of things most often associated with combative training and realistic martial arts. Most of these elements I'm going to mention have been hammered into me since the time I began training and after recent reflection I determined that they are often not as true as believed. Now, of course, I am talking about civilian combatives and the situations are based on civilian experiences. Military combatives and the situations those boys place themselves in are a whole different animal, although I'm sure parallels could be drawn:

    1: You Never Know When an Attack will Occur!
    You could argue about the actual meaning of this. I interpret this statement to mean that someone is totally surprised and was in no way expecting a violent situation to occur. In over 30 years of training I cannot remember a time when I did not feel a situation escalate to a point where I knew something would happen. Whether it was at a party, walking down a street in a section of the city with a bad reputation or just sitting at home watching TV. I've always been able to pick up on the subtle energies of a given situation or environment and determine that it was becoming increasingly volatile. There were times when I chose to walk away and times when I chose to remain, hoping to diffuse the situation, but I've never been taken completely off guard... as a matter of fact, is some cases I can say I was completely expecting it.

    2: A Practitioner should Adhere to the Social Philosophies of his Chosen Art.
    Let me give an example of this: Taekwon-Do emphasises tenets such as courtesy, Integrity, Perserverence, Self Control and Indominatabel Spirit. I began questioning the use of these tenets some years ago. The reason was that I felt that they were impeding my ability to operate socially. I think they may still cause problems. The reason is how other people interpret them. We've all heard the expression "Don't mistake courtesy for weakness", right? Well, people do. Humans are social animals just like wolves or chimps and virtually every social animal that lives in groups has Alphas. These are people who have become leaders. I find that by being courteous in some cases works against this dynamic. I'm not saying to abandon proper conduct but people are testing each other all the time. If you have a position of reverence, other men will try to challenge that, either openly or by using more subversive means. Women test men to see if you are a potential mate. Being too much of a gentleman can get you scratched off her list pretty damn fast.

    3: Mix Martial Arts Fighters wouldn't stand a chance in a Real Street Fight
    Yes, I've heard this... from a surprisingly large number of people. The biggest argument for this suggests that this type of fighter lacks the necessary awareness to be able to tell when a situation is escalating or they wouldn't be prepared for someone who has a weapon, etc. I feel that while there is some truth to this, especially the weapons related statement, the truth of the matter is that MMA is a testosterone infused sport/MA as are most combative sports/arts. There is a heiarchy in the gym and at the arena. Because of that these people know very well when a situation is escalating and can choose whether to diffuse it or not. As for the argument that a lot of people make about grappling in the street, well, who said anything about grappling? You can go into the clinch or do a double leg takedown and not have to grapple... especially if you slam someone down on the hard concrete or on the edge of a table or bounce someone's head off the wall. As a matter of fact, I would almost say that a lot of the MMA guys that I've known have a very adaptive mentality and are quite prepared to make use of their environment to win a fight or an altercation.

    Just a few things that I've noted over my years as a martial artist. I'm curious about your opinions on the above and if you have any other widely know quasi-myths about the martial arts list those as well. I'm curious...

  • #2
    Great post!

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    • #3
      Hey, Mike! Thanks for your input, brother. As always I find your points valid. I do feel a need to respond with a few statements about each of the purported myths that I originally listed though. I'm sure that you are well aware of my stance on these views but people tend to argue about the smallest insignificant things with regards to posts on this board... right down to the "ifs" and the "whens". So, here goes.

      The first myth about never being surprised, I feel I should have stated that it was a generalization. and it is in no way intended to downplay the importance of solid awareness training as I personally feel that it was that type of training which allows me to pick up on the subtle energies and dynamics of various social situations that would tip me off to potential trouble. I would, however, say that the likelyhood of being completely surprised is very low. Most situations which could erupt violently generally follow a progression of ever heightening tension before someone finally reacts physically. I would say that this is the case 100% of the time. However my statements do not take into account a 3rd party who innocently walks in to an escalating situation. In which case badness occurs.

      The second myth about following social doctrine... welll, I think we completely agree on that one. I don't feel that a teacher's responsibility to make his students adhere to various doctrines. Before I made an example of courtesy as it relates to the tenets of taekwon-do. Martial Artists I do feel should act as gentlemen and women and exhibit courtesy to those around them. My problem is when someone try's to take advantage of your courtesy to make himself look strong or dominant to those around him. I think we've all been in situations where we would be walking down the sidewalk or down a hallway and here comes some guy from the opposite direction who is right in your path. Depending on the energy I get from him, I'll react in one of two ways. If he's not looking at me, I'll generally show courtesy and move out of his way. Sometimes this individual will stare at me... in an attempt to establish dominance. I have, on occasion, stared back, stopped right where I was and forced him to either escalate the situation or to back down and move around me. This is a standard human social dynamic. I don't feel that martial arts ideologies should be contrary to human social dynamics but should help you to better understand them.

      and third, about MMA fighters... couldn't agree more!

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      • #4
        It's a shame that both schools of thought can't get along with each other. I think both sides could learn alot from one another.

        As my teacher once told me "It's all boxing and wrestling"

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        • #5
          Are you talking about just this forum or all of the forums? There are numerous "TMAs suck, do MMA/BJJ" messages in the Chinese, Japanese, and even the JKD forums.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by medic06
            Are you talking about just this forum or all of the forums? There are numerous "TMAs suck, do MMA/BJJ" in the Chinese, Japanese, and even the JKD forums.
            I think the majority of the back and forth attacks, in my opinon, do not come from educated and well trained individual on either side of the line. I personally have trained in both traditional systems as well having done MMA training. I see the validiy of both.

            Most of the attacks either come from students with only a couple of years of training, students with an ethnic background who have a strong sense of national pride and those who have simply been brainwashed by their supreme grand masters to believe that their system is the best

            I do tend to feel that MMA training functionalizes much more quickly that traditional training does, but I also know that for a lot of people TMA offers an element that MMA does not. Most traditional systems that I've trained in (granted... not all of them) are centered around very strong philosophies. With japanese, okinawan and to a point korean martial arts there is a code of ethics and rules of proper conduct involved. They strive to develop students who are better people so the practice can be very individual.

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            • #7
              Thanks Maxx. I always thought some of these arguements were very silly.

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