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That's quite a good little film. I've seen it before. There's too many people playing secnd rate martial arts whilst wearing military gear. They're kidding themselves. -
That's a good video, lots of valid points, I agree with most of it. However, I do think that there has to be a balance between controlled technique training and working against a live and resisting oponent. If you have people just pad up and beat the crap out of each other from day 1, its going to reinforce and build bad habits. On the other hand if your talking about self defense, or even sport training, you HAVE to train alive, with a resisting oponent, or else your just cheating yourself and you won't be able to make it work in a real life situation.Comment
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I've seen the polish dude's other videos and they all make pretty good points. I would only say that just b/c somebody knocked out a guy from that style in the UFC doesn't mean it's completely useless... eventually Kerr and Coleman did get knocked out.Comment
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This is a pretty good clip, kind of puts everything into perspective a little bit. I'm sure there are some great warriors in the special forces who would do well in MMA competitions if they trained that way as much as the UFC and Pride guys train now and some who wouldn't.
Are there any clips of military guys actually doing well in MMA competition?Comment
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The problem is this. We cannot practice full out fighting without either killing someone or going to jail. We have to think up ways of simulating it as realistically as possible without too much risk.
One camp goes the sports way. They take out "deadly techniques" (like strikes to the throat etc. etc. just read the "banned techniques" section from the rules), wear protective gear and then go at each other. Hence various forms of kick boxing, wreslting and MMA. They develop great fitrness and the ability to apply their techniques against a resisiting opponent. OK, the "killing" techniques may have gone, but they still use stuff that can cause you all kinds of hurt and unconciousness.
The other camp involves keeping these killing moves in, but the practice is less realistic. There has to be some form of compliance when training with other people, and they rely on dummies and punch bags to get full power training. Some of them don't even do this, hence fight guys in cammos.
The best training involves taking the best out of each camp, and how you do that depends on your understanding of a real fight as well as your commitment. Get people doing the full contact work AND the more specialised military strikes type stuff and you're on the way. For self protection you have to put all kinds of other stuff in the mix to (again things that the sports people don't include). Things like fence work, the pre emptive strike, conversaiion management, awareness etc.
As a last note be aware that the majority of training in the McDojo world of today actually takes the WORST of the two approaches. They get rid of the most deadly moves AND train what's left in a flicky kicky twisty wristy manner. They're the ones who march up and down in sports centres in their pyjamas, with elderly grandparent black belts traiing alongside their 10 year old black belt grand kids.Comment
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Im not trying to bash Tai Chi....But now that the crew isnt here, isnt the training in Taijiquan very unrealistic? How could it have any value? And Fajin punches.......What makes them so special then just a good ol' Boxing punch? Personally i think Tai Chi sucks for fighting.Comment
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A lot of people think taijiquan sucks! What you have to realise to begin with is that ALL oriental martial arts, no matter what, eminate from "The Supreme Ultimate", or whatever translation you wish to give of Tai Chi Chuan!!!Originally posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3
I know a little of Taijiquan, Linkonjin, etc. and at one time upset quite a lot of people on the "Emptyforce" message boards, by saying that "No Touch Knockdowns" were at there best dubious and at there worst, useless in a combat situation. (And yes! I have trained with Grandmaster Rich Mooney, on several occasions, before anybody starts!!!). Anyway, thats getting away from the point in question, a bit!
If the concepts of TCM, (Traditional Chinese Medecine), drawn from disciplines such as taijiquan are applied to any martial art, it will be the better for it. The particular elements I would refer to, given that fajin was brought into the question, would be of "energy transferance", perhaps "colour visualisation" and certainly angle and direction, to say nothing of pressure points.
Thats not to say that a tai chi exponent will know any of these conceptual properties anyway! I've got a student in my class thats done tai chi for over 4 years and he's just beginning to understand his art after 6 months training using the aforementioned.
Taiji doesn't suck for fighting if you know what you're doing with it! Problem is not many do! Even some that think they do!
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(If my opponent does not move , then, I do not move, If my opponent moves, then, I MOVE FIRST!!!)Comment
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I gave it a look.Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
Very good points made. I get everyone to whack each other as for real and no gloves! how can you know a technique's gonna work if you haven't felt what its like to get hit by it? (Of course, we only aim to stun one another, not knock each other out. Fine line sometimes, though). Makes training much more fun! (But, not for the faint hearted).
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If youre good with gloves, chances youre good without.Comment
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I prefer open handed techniques which don't suit gloves anyway. The fist is the most basic and crude of weapons.Originally posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3
You "bitch slap" someone using the right angle and direction and you'll damn near take their head off!
Ever heard of "players to the game"?
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Nope. If you're good with gloves, chances are you used to hitting with padding. Hitting for real is gonna hurt ya. Chances are you are not used to fighting whilst making an actual fist (or open handed, if that is your thing). Hitting for real is gonna hurt ya. Chances are you'll hold your hands high by the side of your face, expecting to be "covered" from other gloved blows. But his bare hands will either punch past or straight into yours. So you'll be knocked out by the bare bone of his hands, or your own.Originally posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3
If you're good with gloves chances are you need to ensure you do loads of practice without gloves.Comment
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Oh man...the memories.Originally posted by Thai Bri
Not to mention TAKING a bareknuckle shot. Forget breaking your own hand...the pain from a bare fist to the head is very different from that of a gloved shot.Comment
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It sure is and can take several days before the tenderness goes down.Originally posted by bigred389 View Post
I believe you do need to practice without gloves too and practice palm strikes as well. I practice them on an uppercut bag at our MT club.....quite different to punching it.....You also need to balance out your gloved/ungloved training too. For example, I like to train with 18oz gloves on as it makes me work harder and when I change to bare knuckle, my hands feel like their flying!! Its real important to hit something hard without gloves on though, the difference may surprise you.Comment
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