using submission techniques on the streets

[jorickdd]

Say I get to armbar/crucifix some person in a streetfight... I would feel a little uncomfortable breaking his arm or breaking his neck.
What would you do? Break his arm anyway? Let him go after a few seconds and let him promiss to never do it again..? Wait for his friends to arrive? Or avoid even using this techniques.

An official fight ends in a tapout and you have won. Streetfights don't.. especially when its against a number of people.

[MMA Apostate]

Well, living in a civilized society here in Portland, Oregon I would conclude that the only reason you would be in a street altercation would be because your original tactics of avoiding and/or escaping the situation didn't work. Thus meaning your only option would be to survive the situation, so tearing the connective tissue of the aggresors joint shouldn't be a moral dilema if you really want to make it through the horrible ordeal.

This of course is coming from a civilian point of view. Police officers/bouncers don't have the same liberties in self defense as the average joe.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

i agree. whenever another human being chooses to escalate a situation to physical confrontation despite your attempts to resolve it without violence, it is your responsibility as a peace loving individual to protect yourself, your loved ones, or innocent victims of physical aggression. you should always being trying to find the least violent way to end things yourself, but if you judge that your opponent won't back down even if given a chance and you have to break his arm, c'est la vie. he'll heal and everyone walks away alive.

of course this is my personal moral/philosophical answer to your question. you could probably still get in some trouble with the cops

[french fri25]

yo. just think. if your being robbed or attacked and are literally fighting for your life, you should break his arm. maybe not his neck but definitely break his arm. if you just let him go he might try to attack you again. make sure if youre life is at risk, use whatever technique is going to end the fight and render him powerless. believe me, if you break a guys arm, he aint gonna be throwin too many punches at you anymore.

french fri25

[Jiu-fu fighter]

I agree completely

if the circumstances call for it, you might just have to injure somebody or even kill them ( of course in the most extreme circumstances)

some guy attacks you on the street and starts hitting you, you get him on the ground and into say an armbar or some sort of choke, I will definetly snap his arm or choke him unconcious

thats life

[Tant01]

Gentle "nap" for the bad guy?

Say I get to armbar/crucifix some person in a streetfight... I would feel a little uncomfortable breaking his arm or breaking his neck.
What would you do? Break his arm anyway? Let him go after a few seconds and let him promiss to never do it again..? .....

When you find yourself with the destruction in your hands you won't be thinking about NOT breaking it. Of course you break it!

You already gave him every opportunity to change his mind. You gave him a sample of your ability and he still pressed the attack. He chose to sacrafice his life and limb to accomplish the objective.

Take what he gives you... and break it.

Even if he should die from his injuries you did not.

Of course if you have OTHER options it would be more HUMANE to put him to sleep.

The old rear naked choke has been a great tool for me. In the few seconds it takes to apply the gentle pressure to his neck I have even whispered in the ear "night-night time"

Try to relax a bit. It's not that complicated...

[Hardball]

If you have to ask then you shouldn't be getting in street fights. Try running instead.

[blitz]

Like we say in BJJ: Tap, snap or nap. But in this case, the tap comes when he doesn't let the situation escalate into a physical confrontation. Otherwise, you get to choose the rest.

[MMA Apostate]

If you have to ask then you shouldn't be getting in street fights. Try running instead.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

[jmm19114]

I really agree with the statement that submission techniques can be dangerous to use on the streets. There may be some situations, such as subduing a drunk relative at a barbecue, where they can prove useful. However, in a violent criminal assault against an enraged lunatic this can be dangerous. I found a really great article on this subject at the following site: http://www.sammyfranco.com. In the articles section there is a great article on the use of submission fighting in the streets.

[slayer31]

every person ive seen trying to choke someone out in a streetfight at the bars or something of that nature gets sucker punched and KTFO. i find it highly unlikely you will ever get in a 1 on 1 in the middle of no where... but if you do... put him to sleep for a good while.

[kingoftheforest]

If a robber will punch a 101 year old woman in the head while taking her purse, imagine what he'll do to a healthy male who is more of a threat.

[medic06]

At risk of rehashing a very tired and ridiculous debate, I will say that there is a time, place, and application for almost every technique. "Submissions" in real fights often don't look like they would in the ring. An arm bar, for example, is not gradually applied in expectation of surrender. Rather, the elbow is snapped quickly and without pause. I have personally used chokes often, and to great effect. In fact, I used one (rear naked) on a guy just a few weeks ago. He was a very large, very fit ex-con who stole from our store and who tried to fight once I stopped him. By the end of the confrontation, the only option I had to avoid really hurting him badly was to throw him down and choke him out. He was fighting hard, and he refused to quit. At 6'2"-6'3" and around 230-240, he was also jacked up on meth, as we later discovered. Long story short, I choked him out in what was probably five or six seconds, handcuffed him, and kept from really having to beat the guy up. If properly applied, subs and chokes work very well. The catch is "properly applied."

That means making the right tactical choices, including being aware of weapons, friends, and surroundings as well as other options. It means applying the tool as though you mean to use it to end the fight. Most submissions that fail leave you in a bad, bad spot. Just like you wouldn't throw a half-assed punch and give the guy a chance to give up, nor should you apply a half-assed submission. In real fights, they are not "armlocks" but "arm breaks." They are not "chokeholds," but "chokeouts." If you apply a joint lock, you're either holding the guy for backup you know is right around the corner, or you're breaking something. If that's the case, and the "friends and weapons" department is adequately covered, then there's nothing inviable about submission techniques in the street. That is, after all, where most of them started.

Couldn't have said it much better!