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Here's a simple example of why you do not want to spend alot of time on the ground. I know fights can go to the ground and you have to train and prepare for that, but that doesn't mean you should dilly-dally.
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And if he was destroying his opponent on their feet, the opponents friend would have sat idly by.....
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I think what he was getting at is that if he was standing up and saw the friend running in, he could have avoided him. When he took it to the ground he was just a sitting duck, completely imobile. Not saying I think going to the ground is stupid neccersarily, but when jumpins seem likely, I'd want to avoid it at all costs. How old do you think they are anyway? 10 - 12? Crazy kidsComment
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Quicker movement in response to them?
Frankly he didnt see it coming, he was looking down at the face he was trying to punch. He didnt see that kid coming at all.
Standing up its the same thing, tunnel vision, etc... he's going to be focused on his opponent not the kid wandering up to sucker punch him from behind, or grab him from behind so his friend can punch him more easily.
If anything this video shows why you need to train ground grappling. If the kid on the bottom new some mount escapes he wouldnt have needed his friend to jump in. His friend isnt gonna always be there, and neither are yours.Comment
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Why you don't waste time ground fighting
I just have to weigh in on one thing. Samurai Guy, with your cute little sayings and your samurai reference, are you in your teens and do you train ground exclusively or does your training consist of mostly video tapes?
The reason I ask, is that people with years of training and/or teaching allow others to have opinions without trashing them or denegrating them. Insecure, immature neophytes believe in absolutes and judging by your posts I suspect you've never been in a street fight.Comment
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And whiny little bitches like you post this kind of nonsense once every few months.Originally posted by PFSofPA View PostComment
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Why you don't waste time ground fighting
Ah, but still you felt compelled to post.Comment
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Congratulations.Comment
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Why you don't waste time ground fighting
Whiny. That's just cutting. These forums should be for people who want to learn and exchange ideas. Mike Brewer has added a tremendous amount of useful and thought provoking material to this post. I sensed his frustration. Anyone who has fought in the street knows the dynamics change by the moment and there are no absolutes. The ranges can go from stand-up to ground and back in seconds. People standing around who may have been friendly with you prior to the fight can become your next attacker if you're doing better than their friend.
What the video shows are two people fighting. Untrained. Training or having experience fighting mutliple opponents makes you cognizant of your surroundings and fighting in such a manner as to mitigate the jump ins to some extent. Then again, its not an absolute so you can still get caught and have your head handed to you.Comment
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Originally posted by PFSofPA View Post
Then stop whining. You can add your two bits without the drama.Comment
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Lol, what i liked was when the video had finished the ad on the end for me was for medical advise.Comment
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Why you don't waste time ground fighting
Not whining. No drama. Just giving my opinion. Just like you did.Comment
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lol Jub, that guy posted the exact same thing in the JKD forum the "has anyone trained with vunak recently" you can go read my response to that there if you want.
Actually Mr. Brewer, although I've often promoted ground grappling, and its a reasonable conclusion to think thats what I would go for, if you read the response to him, or actually my response to your post in that thread (as I'm sure you probably will without prompting) you'll see that judo and boxing is primarily what I train.
I'm not saying the kid would have escaped the mount right away, but he could have got up from there if he knew what he was doing. Even if he just upa'd (bucking the hips) the kid would have had to post out and stop punching him. In saying that the kid on top was looking down, of course he was looking down, but more importantly he was focused on his opponent, sure his vision is going to be better standing, but he's still going to be looking and focused on his opponent. If there was that big of a difference no one would get sucker punched while standing. The kid could approach from directly behind him, how is he going to see him then?
Oh and Brewer, I've never done illegal drugs of any kind, nor ever will, I dont care if other people do it, just personally not something I go for.
I think everyone, except maybe jub was missing my point. I'm not saying when your in a street fight you want to pull gaurd, or anything like that, or even follow someone to the ground. I'm merely saying disregarding ground training because one kid got sucker punched when its like a 95% chance he was gonna get sucker punched anyway if he was standing is stupid. I also pointed out that the kid on the bottom would have had a much better chance of winning the fight, or at leasdt not being mauled from the mount if he had SOME ground skills.
I AM NOT ADVOCATING GOING TO THE GROUND IN STREETFIGHTS, I am merely saying, dont be some douchebag who thinks you dont have to put in the work, because one kid got sucker punched. Drag your ass to the gym, spend years tapping your little heart out, and learn something. Just like you should be dragging your ass to the gym, and getting your head beat in by 12-16 oz gloves, so that you can learn something. Dont puss out and take the easy way out.Comment
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Just because someone posts an awareness video on why not to spend alot of time ground fighting out on the street doesn't mean they're advocating that you shouldn't train for those situations. SG you seemed to have gotten emotionaly whipped up over something that wasn't even an issue.Originally posted by Urban Tarzan View PostComment
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