Bank Employee Stops Thief

[BoarSpear]

Do you know how many times people rush to tackle a gunman and succeed, only to stand up proudly and look around and notice that the one stray bullet the robber was able to discharge hit some innocent 8 year old?

That's not heroism, its stupidity. The majority of robberies are "get the cash and dash". Most people don't want a murder charge if they can avoid one. When someone decides to wrestle an armed robber and has no plan or idea of how to control the weapon or the man he is likely going to get innocent people hurt when he could have just let the thugs get away with insured money.

What happened on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001 was heroic. What that bank cop did was risk his and everyone life in that bank.

Well said my friend.

[jubaji]

Jubaji's just a simpleton who has enough free time on his hands to author nearly 6,000 posts that are all as pathetic as himself and his opinions. Its ashamed to be that much of a waste of time. I know I bust his ball in return for the smart ass comments he makes, but this has become more than just a "busting balls" thing. He's constantly dejected and mean-spirited. You would think that once in a while that he would contribute something positive and constructive, but ITS CLEAR that his posts mirror the sad state of his own personal life.

Why else would he come here to vent so much anger and frustration? He's to be pitied, not loathed.

LOL! What, now you're getting on the Jr. Profiler routine? You're too late, Boring tried this school girl shit over a year ago. Back to troll school for you, pUke.

[Uke]

LOL! What, now you're getting on the Jr. Profiler routine? You're too late, Boring tried this school girl shit over a year ago. Back to troll school for you, pUke.

And your cycle of self-loathing continues. I hear that can help you with that Tourette's syndrome, Bunny. Seek it.

I feel sorry for you.

No one should have to drink sake and soju until he's drunk enough to like himself and think he writes clever non-related posts on a martial art forum.

Poor bunny.

We're starting to miss the times when you bragged about suplexing knife wielding attackers. Nowadays you don't even include that much MA info in your posts.

Poor bunny.

[DickHardman]

And your cycle of self-loathing continues. I hear that can help you with that Tourette's syndrome, Bunny. Seek it.

I feel sorry for you.

No one should have to drink sake and soju until he's drunk enough to like himself and think he writes clever non-related posts on a martial art forum.

Poor bunny.

We're starting to miss the times when you bragged about suplexing knife wielding attackers. Nowadays you don't even include that much MA info in your posts.

Poor bunny.

jubaji may be pretty wack, and probobly stuck in one of the earlier stages of denial like me and most of us here, but at least he aint as deluded as you are, walking around thinking you have balls big enough to even compare your armchair martial artist ass to a guy like quinton jackson, a man whos physical strength and toughness has made him a celebrity around the world.

[Uke]

jubaji may be pretty wack, and probobly stuck in one of the earlier stages of denial like me and most of us here, but at least he aint as deluded as you are, walking around thinking you have balls big enough to even compare your armchair martial artist ass to a guy like quinton jackson, a man whos physical strength and toughness has made him a celebrity around the world.

Right DickHeadman, the fact that Quinton Jackson can pick a man up off the ground and powerbomb him made him famous. Right. And you say that I don't know anything about MMA? What a loser. But at least you're beginning to realize that you're in denial.

[jubaji]

And your cycle of self-loathing continues.

I feel sorry for you.
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I thought it was pretty clear that my loathing is for you, pUke. But thanks for the concern.

[DickHardman]

Right DickHeadman, the fact that Quinton Jackson can pick a man up off the ground and powerbomb him made him famous. Right. And you say that I don't know anything about MMA? What a loser. But at least you're beginning to realize that you're in denial.

im not talking about the powerbomb, even though arona weighs over 200lbs and quinton lifted him like he was nothing, im talking about the matches quinton had with silva. he took incredible amounts of punishment and still didnt give up. but then again, you wouldnt understand if you are so deluded that you think quinton jackson is just an average joe, or someone you can compare yourself to.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

You mean the only people who dont flash weapons at ranges they are useless are those with the knowledge and intent to use them? And THAT is somehow your defense? I'm trying to keep this civil and friendly but THINK!

typing faster than i was thinking there, trying to get out the door. my only point was there is a perfectly good reason to flash a weapon in such a case, namely to threaten and intimidate. why is it such an effort to keep this civil and friendly?

The rule is you NEED 21 feet to draw and fire a holstered sidearm, and is designed around POLICE, it is not the same thing as assuming inside that range hidden weapons can't be deployed..not even close. Most sidearms are worn in an extremely awkward position to quickly access, not so with those not advertising where their weapons are (or WHAT they are). KNIVES are MUCH simpler and faster to deploy than firearms(depending on make and carry system).

ok, 21 feet for a cop to draw a holstered gun and use it, gotcha. so what would you estimate for a knife or derringer in the pocket? could it be deployed in 2/3 the time (i.e. 14 feet)?
tell me if you read the article differently than i do, but again, it sounds to me like the pursuer was within 14 feet before the guy turned, then reached in his pocket. if you accept that interpretation he was on top of the guy while his hand was still in his pocket.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Why wait?? So your heroic antics don't get some innocent bystander killed. But hey Batman saved the day and nabbed the crook so that he can never steal a bag of money again.

Would it have been any safer for innocent bystanders if it had been a couple cops chasing Paris down instead of one "hero" as you so derrisively label Quagliani?

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Do you know how many times people rush to tackle a gunman and succeed, only to stand up proudly and look around and notice that the one stray bullet the robber was able to discharge hit some innocent 8 year old?

No i don't, though i must admit to being to sick of the "media" to turn on the news very often. How many?

[Jiu-fu fighter]

It is possible to close a 14 foot gap before a man can pull a concealed weapon. And if you catch him with his hand still reaching in his pocket you can take them down so much easier. Easy to prove for those who disagree, get a friend give him a toygun or knife to put in his pocket, go about fourteen paces away, tell him to scream i have a weapon and to go for it, see how quickly you can go right through him and take him down.

I don't reccomend tackling criminals, but it sounds like what the guy did in the story was more a reflexive action from prior training, he did not have time to think about what he should do legally or not. Don't condemn his actions, he got away with it and was lucky.

I have not yet been in such a situation, so i can honestly say that I don't know if I would cower or take the guy down.

It is kind of hypocritical of us to just sit here and judge, until each of us have honestly been in a situation like that

[Jiu-fu fighter]

Just a disclaimer to my last post, of course the guy could still get his weapon out before you reach him , BUT with proper training and quick reaction time, it is possible to take the guy down with his hand still trying to pull out the weapon.

[Uke]

im not talking about the powerbomb, even though arona weighs over 200lbs and quinton lifted him like he was nothing, im talking about the matches quinton had with silva. he took incredible amounts of punishment and still didnt give up. but then again, you wouldnt understand if you are so deluded that you think quinton jackson is just an average joe, or someone you can compare yourself to.

You can talk about whatever you minds wanders to, but we were talking about whether or not picking someone up from a triangle choke was something that required top level athleticism, and it doesn't. Then you went off into your own tirade about me devaluing Jackson as a fighter and a whole bunch of other nonsense.

There's never been a time when I have degraded Jackson. This is just you looking for reasons to argue because you have nothing else to contribute to the topic at hand.

[jubaji]

watch idiot disagree with THIS now

we were talking about whether or not picking someone up from a triangle choke was something that required top level athleticism, and it doesn't. .

That would depend on, among other things, who you were picking up.

[DickHardman]

i still think its pretty funny that uke talked about how using mma in the street would be irresponsible and dangerous, and then went on to recommend a move he saw on tv on mma as something to use on the street. that really puts an end to his argument and really shows that all he was doing was badmouthing mike b that whole time and others who train hard.