Bank Employee Stops Thief

[kingoftheforest]

And Yeah Bank officers ain't cops in ANYWAY shape or form, in fact he should have been aware of Bank policy, which isn't tackling bank robbers empty handed (and GREATLY enhancing the risk of loss to his employers) I assure you.

He should've stabbed him in the eye with his pen. I bet he had a fancy bank pen.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

If his hand was already in his pocket than it was also on the weapon.

Quagliani "caught up" (and i gave my reasoning for interpretting that to mean that he was within the 14 foot range) then Paris turned and reached into his pocket.

Secondly if guy hadn't have been chasing him he wouldn't have needed to reach for the weapon, so the chase still would have endanger people instead of somebody losing some insured money.

Chasing bad guy = him using weapon

I'm not saying this guy didn't take any risks, but he's not some random schmuck, he's a military police officer. a police officer's mindset doesn't end at "no body got hurt today in my line-of-sight." a criminal will commit another crime. that's why we have a word for criminal, not just "a guy who broke the law." It's a pattern of behavior. A pattern Quagliani sought to put an end to, and did.

[kingoftheforest]

Quagliani "caught up" (and i gave my reasoning for interpretting that to mean that he was within the 14 foot range) then Paris turned and reached into his pocket.



I'm not saying this guy didn't take any risks, but he's not some random schmuck, he's a military police officer. a police officer's mindset doesn't end at "no body got hurt today in my line-of-sight." a criminal will commit another crime. that's why we have a word for criminal, not just "a guy who broke the law." It's a pattern of behavior. A pattern Quagliani sought to put an end to, and did.

He was not an MP at the time. Second ask any cop and I'm sure training dictates that the people in the immediate area need to be protected NOW.

I'd be great if he shot a bystandered but didn't get away to rob a 7-11 next week, just great.

And P.S. we have the 3 strike rule for repeat offenders, you know people who have been caught and released multiple times.

[BoarSpear]

I'm not saying this guy didn't take any risks, but he's not some random schmuck, he's a military police officer. a police officer's mindset doesn't end at "no body got hurt today in my line-of-sight." a criminal will commit another crime. that's why we have a word for criminal, not just "a guy who broke the law." It's a pattern of behavior. A pattern Quagliani sought to put an end to, and did.

NO!! He IS a Bank employee, on the banks payroll...he was never a trained law enforcement official. I ran 2 different Military bases entire security forces (Shore patrol and MP's) I can assure you they aren't trained to tackle bank robbers or stop "criminals." I doubt very seriously his employers or their insurance company is impressed.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

So because the guy hadn't SHOWN the weapon he ASSumed the bank robber didn't have one, Dumb. If it was a knife it wouldn't have made sense to flash it, same goes for a small derringer.

you wouldn't back off if a guy flashed a knife or derringer?

However how the hell does being 14 feet from someone with their hand IN their pocket give a safety illusion!!?
Are you aware of the 21 foot rule? 14 feet is DEAD in the kill zone with no time for you to react...

I posted my logic, what i interpretted from the wording of the article the pursuing man was within 14 feet before the robber even turned around. 14 feet is the distance that a man can close before another man can draw a weapon.

And Yeah Bank officers ain't cops in ANYWAY shape or form, in fact he should have been aware of Bank policy, which isn't tackling bank robbers empty handed (and GREATLY enhancing the risk of loss to his employers) I assure you.

well he was a cop in at least one way, shape and form, a military one...
and i dunno, maybe he judged the set of policies and rules dictated by his employer a few steps inferior to the responsibility he felt to use his training to prevent another crime, which might not have gone as smoothly the next time.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

He was not an MP at the time. Second ask any cop and I'm sure training dictates that the people in the immediate area need to be protected NOW.

I'd be great if he shot a bystandered but didn't get away to rob a 7-11 next week, just great.

i'm not sure how to make my perspective more clear. the robber was a threat to safety as long as he was free. and i used to work at a 7-11 so yea i guess i would appreciate that

And P.S. we have the 3 strike rule for repeat offenders, you know people who have been caught and released multiple times.

so everyone get's two freebies? that's awesome, i didn't know that, i'm gonna head out and make a couple "withdrawals" myself.

[kingoftheforest]

i'm not sure how to make my perspective more clear. the robber was a threat to safety as long as he was free. and i used to work at a 7-11 so yea i guess i would appreciate that



so everyone get's two freebies? that's awesome, i didn't know that, i'm gonna head out and make a couple "withdrawals" myself.

No clown three strikes mean once you have been imprisoned done time and have been released twice you don't get to go home the third time...ever.

[BoarSpear]

you wouldn't back off if a guy flashed a knife or derringer?



I posted my logic, what i interpretted from the wording of the article the pursuing man was within 14 feet before the robber even turned around. 14 feet is the distance that a man can close before another man can draw a weapon.

Knives and derringers are close contact weapons, only fools flash them at long distance...But where the HELL did you come up with 14 feet is safe to attack an armed man from?

That is COMPLETE and utter Bullshit... there are people who can draw a pistol from inside their pants and freakin' shoot you before you can close 14 feet never mind carve you to pieces, you really need to study weapons and their uses more Bro, you're making some VERY bad assumptions.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

No clown three strikes mean once you have been imprisoned done time and have been released twice you don't get to go home the third time...ever.

so, i'm sorry, i'm missing the bearing this has on the discussion.

the thrust of my joking statement was, "why wait". this Paris guy has one more strike now than he would have otherwise.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Knives and derringers are close contact weapons, only fools flash them at long distance...But where the HELL did you come up with 14 feet is safe to attack an armed man from?

That is COMPLETE and utter Bullshit... there are people who can draw a pistol from inside their pants and freakin' shoot you before you can close 14 feet never mind carve you to pieces, you really need to study weapons and their uses more Bro, you're making some VERY bad assumptions.

only fools flash them at long distance if their intention is cool calculated murder, i would probably back off a guy who flashed a derringer at me if i had an acceptable choice in the matter.

i didn't say it was safe to do so, it's never "safe" to attack an armed person. i said if a two men are standing 14 feet apart, one can close the distance before the other can get his weapon out, and the demonstration is usually done with a holster. maybe the distance shrinks a bit when you're up against Wyatt Earp. this is why those police tazers have roughly a 14 foot range, because if you're within that range and acting hostile, they're justified in using it. i hardly ever rule out the possibility that i'm wrong , but I'll just say i've seen more evidence for this than i'm willing to write off 'cause you say so.

Anyway, i'm goin out for the night, hopefully when i get back someone will have taken my side!

[BoarSpear]

only fools flash them at long distance if their intention is cool calculated murder, i would probably back off a guy who flashed a derringer at me if i had an acceptable choice in the matter.

i didn't say it was safe to do so, it's never "safe" to attack an armed person. i said if a two men are standing 14 feet apart, one can close the distance before the other can get his weapon out, and the demonstration is usually done with a holster. maybe the distance shrinks a bit when you're up against Wyatt Earp. this is why those police tazers have roughly a 14 foot range, because if you're within that range and acting hostile, they're justified in using it. i hardly ever rule out the possibility that i'm wrong , but I'll just say i've seen more evidence for this than i'm willing to write off 'cause you say so.

Anyway, i'm goin out for the night, hopefully when i get back someone will have taken my side!

You mean the only people who dont flash weapons at ranges they are useless are those with the knowledge and intent to use them? And THAT is somehow your defense? I'm trying to keep this civil and friendly but THINK!

The rule is you NEED 21 feet to draw and fire a holstered sidearm, and is designed around POLICE, it is not the same thing as assuming inside that range hidden weapons can't be deployed..not even close. Most sidearms are worn in an extremely awkward position to quickly access, not so with those not advertising where their weapons are (or WHAT they are). KNIVES are MUCH simpler and faster to deploy than firearms(depending on make and carry system).

[kingoftheforest]

so, i'm sorry, i'm missing the bearing this has on the discussion.

the thrust of my joking statement was, "why wait". this Paris guy has one more strike now than he would have otherwise.

Why wait?? So your heroic antics don't get some innocent bystander killed. But hey Batman saved the day and nabbed the crook so that he can never steal a bag of money again.

[jubaji]

This is disgraceful. Boring is almost in a panic to condemn the guy in this story because it threatens his own personal dogma. Unless everyone acts like a frightened little grandma (and says "we must follow the way of theory-boy!" while cowering behind the sofa) he will wet himself denouncing them because it undermines his own self-image. Of course, pUke will repeat with even greater emotion anything that Boring says, and soon you have the two of them virtually screaming in their demands that every person in the world follow the church of theory-boy and behave like frightened sheep because it validates him.

Fucking pathetic.

[Uke]

This is disgraceful. Boring is almost in a panic to condemn the guy in this story because it threatens his own personal dogma. Unless everyone acts like a frightened little grandma (and says "we must follow the way of theory-boy!" while cowering behind the sofa) he will wet himself denouncing them because it undermines his own self-image. Of course, KOTF will repeat with even greater emotion anything that Boring says, and soon you have the two of them virtually screaming in their demands that every person in the world follow the church of theory-boy and behave like frightened sheep because it validates him.

Fucking pathetic.

What BoarSpear is saying is not BoarSpear's ideas. Its the same thing the police would tell anyone. Its the same thing that SWAT would tell anyone. Its the same thing that Anti-terror taskforces would tell anyone. Contrary to popular belief, heroes usually get more people killed than they save. And they complicate situations further than they normally need to go.

Do you know how many times people rush to tackle a gunman and succeed, only to stand up proudly and look around and notice that the one stray bullet the robber was able to discharge hit some innocent 8 year old?

That's not heroism, its stupidity. The majority of robberies are "get the cash and dash". Most people don't want a murder charge if they can avoid one. When someone decides to wrestle an armed robber and has no plan or idea of how to control the weapon or the man he is likely going to get innocent people hurt when he could have just let the thugs get away with insured money.

What happened on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001 was heroic. What that bank cop did was risk his and everyone life in that bank.

[Uke]

jubaji

Jubaji's just a simpleton who has enough free time on his hands to author nearly 6,000 posts that are all as pathetic as himself and his opinions. Its ashamed to be that much of a waste of time. I know I bust his ball in return for the smart ass comments he makes, but this has become more than just a "busting balls" thing. He's constantly dejected and mean-spirited. You would think that once in a while that he would contribute something positive and constructive, but ITS CLEAR that his posts mirror the sad state of his own personal life.

Why else would he come here to vent so much anger and frustration? He's to be pitied, not loathed.