A Turkish man gets in an argument and ends up taking on about 8 guys at once and wins

[Tant01]

Somebody pos rep this guy; I tried to but it won't let me.

Same here... Must spread it around before I can hit him again!

[darrianation]

Thanks guys.

But this wouldn't be a "D" rant if there wasn't more...

Okay, let’s take this up a notch…this is where folks generally start to get offended. Please don’t I am just trying to further explain this in greater detail and how this can be corrected.

So, a specialist is someone or a discipline that is a top performer within a given set of circumstances and the generalist has proficiency in a wide-range of circumstances.

It can be said the specialist takes a single minded approach to problem solving because all he knows is a tightly restricted range of actions and possibilities. When the variables are tightly restricted, the specialists will flail awkwardly when you change the initial conditions. They simply have not given attention to all the performance parameters that are in operation in the reality event.

Let me explain myself.

Don’t get offended, boxing is a great sport and I think having some boxing skills as part of your arsenal is a must have. I am just echoing what Tom said about it not being complete. A specialist discipline such as boxing can be devastating against the unarmed single opponent who stays within the boxer’s parameters (not to close, not to far, unarmed, etc). Change those conditions such as multiple opponents with knives at contact range and AK47s from further back and the boxer does not have an answer. It is self-explanatory really.

Another problem…

Many folks train in more than one system, maybe they train two days a week in MMA, one or two days a week in Arnis and go to the shooting range on the weekend. This is a very well rounded curriculum. But a phenomena exists that there seams to be more often than not a compartmentalization that takes place.

What I mean is the MMA gets placed in one compartment, the knife and stick in another, and the firearm in yet another. The problem with compartmentalization is there exists a window of time between accessing one compartment from another. This window of time may be only fractions of a second (it can also be longer) but when the difference between winning and loosing, living and dieing is measured in fractions of a second folks die in the spaces left between compartments.

As an example of this I once saw a sign that read in big red letters “SELF-DEFENSE” and in little black letters it read “self-defense with Muay Thai, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Kali. It sounded very interesting so I went in to check it out. I was disappointed to find that each discipline was trained separately and no mention at all was given to in-fight weapons access. I think that is what most people do, that is they train each skill set separately hoping that when the final exam comes they can somehow magically mesh each discrete skill set together to create a solution out of thin air. The problem is it doesn’t work, there is a moment’s hesitation between each individual compartment and the whole thing goes exploding out of control.

We have to have a way to integrate these separate compartments into a single smoothed out tool box. I think any system that does this has to be scenario driven that does not assume anything and applies realistic pressure to the process.

First, what you need is a way or method to define your objective function or what your parameters are in context with what you want to accomplish.

What seems to be often over looked in the secular martial arts outside of sport competition is a precise contextual objective. The sports folks have an objective function but sporting competitions are structured to focus on the superiority of closely defined performance parameters within their particular rule setting.

As an example of context for the reality based folks, in the military our job was to seek, exploit, and capture or kill the bad guys. Or keep them from doing that to our forces. If we wanted to destroy a building, we drop a bomb on it, the objective is to reduce or destroy it or the enemy’s capabilities and remove its function from the combat equation.

So, what we went about doing was to adapt specific doctrines and developed multiple war-fighting platforms and weapons systems to defeat the enemy. What we did to construct a successful blueprint was in direct relation to his (the enemy’s) capabilities to dominate him in his own environment. Everything we do is directly influenced by his technology, tactics, weapons, and capabilities. We became generalists.

The generalist is an integrationist and integration is inherently a scenario-driven problem. I think to do this you have to run scenarios under realistic driving pressures. In appropriately applied and designed scenarios using realistic pressure against fully resisting opponents you will expose any deficiencies within the model including failures to transition from one range to another and from one platform to the other.

Unscripted scenarios are basically this, give a guy a knife (practice knife) or an airsoft pistol (or rifle) and tell him (or a group) to attack the other guy. The other guy (the good guy) only knows he will be attacked sometime in the near future and nothing more. The types of attacks are virtually limitless…don’t be afraid to play the what if’s.

I think there are mainly only two situations when integrated skills become necessary, 1) in a reactive self-defense situations that occur at close-range (most law abiding civilians); and 2) tactical environments where professionals are doing entry work and prisoner handling. Outside of these two situations your specialist disciplines can usually do the job.

The scenario work will also expose problems with gear such as the underhook it turns out exposes your gun (or knife) to the bad guy, falling on a flash light really fucking hurts and gear stored on the small of the back can cause sever injuries if fallen on especially on hard surfaces (I try to keep my weapons/gear away from the small of my back and hip points because I learned the hard way).

[Uke]

Thanks guys.

But this wouldn't be a "D" rant if there wasn't more...

Okay, let’s take this up a notch…this is where folks generally start to get offended. Please don’t I am just trying to further explain this in greater detail and how this can be corrected.

So, a specialist is someone or a discipline that is a top performer within a given set of circumstances and the generalist has proficiency in a wide-range of circumstances.

It can be said the specialist takes a single minded approach to problem solving because all he knows is a tightly restricted range of actions and possibilities. When the variables are tightly restricted, the specialists will flail awkwardly when you change the initial conditions. They simply have not given attention to all the performance parameters that are in operation in the reality event.

Let me explain myself.

Don’t get offended, boxing is a great sport and I think having some boxing skills as part of your arsenal is a must have. I am just echoing what Tom said about it not being complete. A specialist discipline such as boxing can be devastating against the unarmed single opponent who stays within the boxer’s parameters (not to close, not to far, unarmed, etc). Change those conditions such as multiple opponents with knives at contact range and AK47s from further back and the boxer does not have an answer. It is self-explanatory really.

Another problem…

Many folks train in more than one system, maybe they train two days a week in MMA, one or two days a week in Arnis and go to the shooting range on the weekend. This is a very well rounded curriculum. But a phenomena exists that there seams to be more often than not a compartmentalization that takes place.

What I mean is the MMA gets placed in one compartment, the knife and stick in another, and the firearm in yet another. The problem with compartmentalization is there exists a window of time between accessing one compartment from another. This window of time may be only fractions of a second (it can also be longer) but when the difference between winning and loosing, living and dieing is measured in fractions of a second folks die in the spaces left between compartments.

As an example of this I once saw a sign that read in big red letters “SELF-DEFENSE” and in little black letters it read “self-defense with Muay Thai, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Kali. It sounded very interesting so I went in to check it out. I was disappointed to find that each discipline was trained separately and no mention at all was given to in-fight weapons access. I think that is what most people do, that is they train each skill set separately hoping that when the final exam comes they can somehow magically mesh each discrete skill set together to create a solution out of thin air. The problem is it doesn’t work, there is a moment’s hesitation between each individual compartment and the whole thing goes exploding out of control.

We have to have a way to integrate these separate compartments into a single smoothed out tool box. I think any system that does this has to be scenario driven that does not assume anything and applies realistic pressure to the process.

First, what you need is a way or method to define your objective function or what your parameters are in context with what you want to accomplish.

What seems to be often over looked in the secular martial arts outside of sport competition is a precise contextual objective. The sports folks have an objective function but sporting competitions are structured to focus on the superiority of closely defined performance parameters within their particular rule setting.

As an example of context for the reality based folks, in the military our job was to seek, exploit, and capture or kill the bad guys. Or keep them from doing that to our forces. If we wanted to destroy a building, we drop a bomb on it, the objective is to reduce or destroy it or the enemy’s capabilities and remove its function from the combat equation.

So, what we went about doing was to adapt specific doctrines and developed multiple war-fighting platforms and weapons systems to defeat the enemy. What we did to construct a successful blueprint was in direct relation to his (the enemy’s) capabilities to dominate him in his own environment. Everything we do is directly influenced by his technology, tactics, weapons, and capabilities. We became generalists.

The generalist is an integrationist and integration is inherently a scenario-driven problem. I think to do this you have to run scenarios under realistic driving pressures. In appropriately applied and designed scenarios using realistic pressure against fully resisting opponents you will expose any deficiencies within the model including failures to transition from one range to another and from one platform to the other.

Unscripted scenarios are basically this, give a guy a knife (practice knife) or an airsoft pistol (or rifle) and tell him (or a group) to attack the other guy. The other guy (the good guy) only knows he will be attacked sometime in the near future and nothing more. The types of attacks are virtually limitless…don’t be afraid to play the what if’s.

I think there are mainly only two situations when integrated skills become necessary, 1) in a reactive self-defense situations that occur at close-range (most law abiding civilians); and 2) tactical environments where professionals are doing entry work and prisoner handling. Outside of these two situations your specialist disciplines can usually do the trick.

The scenario work will also expose problems with gear such as the underhook it turns out exposes your gun (or knife) to the bad guy, falling on a flash light really fucking hurts and gear stored on the small of the back can cause sever injuries if fallen on especially on hard surfaces (I try to keep my weapons/gear away from the small of my back and hip points because I learned the hard way).

The two bold sections were excellent, well thought out points and really hit the nail on the head. Great read.

[Hardball]

The two bold sections were excellent, well thought out points and really hit the nail on the head. Great read.

Thanks for pointing that out. I am time challenged and could not read the whole thing.

[Sagacious Lu]

Don’t get offended, boxing is a great sport and I think having some boxing skills as part of your arsenal is a must have. I am just echoing what Tom said about it not being complete. A specialist discipline such as boxing can be devastating against the unarmed single opponent who stays within the boxer’s parameters (not to close, not to far, unarmed, etc). Change those conditions such as multiple opponents with knives at contact range and AK47s from further back and the boxer does not have an answer. It is self-explanatory really.

I don't take any offense to this at all; boxing is a great way (I'd go so far as to say THE BEST way) to learn the skills that it includes but it's undeniable that there are lots of useful tools that are excluded. Sure, styles like wrestling, judo and boxing have limited skill sets so if your goal is to be well-rounded you can't limit yourself to just one. I also think you've got a good point in that if you always train them piece-meal you'll be at a disadvantage if you find yourself in a situation where you have to change ranges quickly. However, if you want good boxing skills I still think the best way is get a boxing coach and train with boxers just like if you want to get good at throwing people it's a good idea to work out with some good judoka. You've made a lot of good points about training for self-defense, but the best theories in the world won't do you any good if you don't have the fundamental skills to make them work, and it seems to me that the sporting styles offer the readiest way to build fundamental skills. I've never suggested that boxing was the be-all end-all of fighting, I just said it's f@!king awesome... because it is

[DickHardman]

What I mean is the MMA gets placed in one compartment, the knife and stick in another, and the firearm in yet another. The problem with compartmentalization is there exists a window of time between accessing one compartment from another. This window of time may be only fractions of a second (it can also be longer) but when the difference between winning and loosing, living and dieing is measured in fractions of a second folks die in the spaces left between compartments.

As an example of this I once saw a sign that read in big red letters “SELF-DEFENSE” and in little black letters it read “self-defense with Muay Thai, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Kali. It sounded very interesting so I went in to check it out. I was disappointed to find that each discipline was trained separately and no mention at all was given to in-fight weapons access. I think that is what most people do, that is they train each skill set separately hoping that when the final exam comes they can somehow magically mesh each discrete skill set together to create a solution out of thin air. The problem is it doesn’t work, there is a moment’s hesitation between each individual compartment and the whole thing goes exploding out of control.

We have to have a way to integrate these separate compartments into a single smoothed out tool box. I think any system that does this has to be scenario driven that does not assume anything and applies realistic pressure to the process.

this is the only thing i disagree with. i think some martial artists are good enough to be able to effectively blend multiple arts that they learned seperately.

[shaolin-warrior]

This guys definitely been in a fight before. He kept a cool head and thats key to survival. He also didn't allow them to surround him by checking his flanks and withdrawing after he hit one opponent and getting ready for the next. He took one guy off his feet with a left jab. Wow!

[Tom Yum]

Gotta go w/Lu's opinion on boxing being bad ass.

[Tant01]

this is the only thing i disagree with. i think some martial artists are good enough to be able to effectively blend multiple arts that they learned seperately.

Key word "some"... Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

I am one of them.

Generalist with artistic tendencies...

[dogzilla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyokcLPl8wM

same video i found on youtoube whitout comment + minute after the fight, you can see the guy lying on the floor until the ambulance arrives, if this link has already been here i apologize

bye