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I was introduced to this clip by Boarspear. Its a very interesting mix of savate and silat. I'm no advocate of high kicking but if someone was dead set on learning them, this is where I'd point them towards.
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Good stuff, Uke.
Savate...remember when Savate champ Gerard Gordeau kicked Sumo wrestler Teila Tuili in the face during UFC 1? lol teeth went flying.
I like Boar's unique and hybrid finds, just like the dude who used Baji and BJJ in his grappling. -
Yes I do. Gerard was one of the few that stuck to his training. He fought like a savate fighter. Many others all looked the same: Brawlers. It was ashamed that he never came back to the UFC.Originally posted by Tom Yum View PostComment
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This isn't just savate. Its savate and silat put together in a unique system of slef defense.
You can see more of the silat influence in the link.Comment
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That is indeed interesting. I thought JKD was a philosophy and concept, not a group of techniques that could be identified by watching a guy perform or respond. Wouldn't that negate the formlessness? Wouldn't using savate as a system along with JKD concepts be an oxymoron? Isn't that like saying "an unstructured structure"?Originally posted by Mike BrewerComment
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I thought it looked very Kempo-esque.Comment
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I understand that, and I'm not being argumentative. I just don't understand how something can "be" JKD as you wrote it. From my understanding, anything can be JKD, from capoeira to wushu to sambo. As long as the person is expressing himself honestly and naturally.Originally posted by Mike Brewer
So forgive my question, but I can't see how anything could seem or look like JKD when JKD looks like all things but looks like nothing.
Know what I mean?Comment
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It looks like both anything and nothing because its supposed to have no form. Actually, I've read the Tao and have a solid understanding of it. I've also had the pleasure of discussing all this with men who have trained with various JKD instructors for over 20 years.
So am I to understand that I should tell them that they are wrong and you, who has considerably less training than them are correct?
No disrespect but even what Dan Inosanto teaches isn't in line with what Bruce Lee called JKD. Lee clearly stated(and Dan Inosanto admits) that the former claimed that he didn't see the combat value of Inosanto's FMA, and advised him to discard it. Yet, JKD all over is now practiced with Inosanto's FMA in it after Lee's death. I think the founder of JKD knows better than Inosanto what should be in his art/concept. So in truth, many people who think they know what JKD is really don't. I've been blessed to befriend people who've trained under men that were around before all the JKD labeling started. Those people don't even want to be associated with that label because that's all it is: A label.
Since his death, people who learned from him began making all kinds of things into what they thought JKD should be, but keeping in line with what he taught(which was basically wing chun, hung gar and western boxing) it should all be called Jun Fan(Lee's name and art) using JKD concepts, because they kept the same framework as Jun Fan and added Inosanto's version of FMA, while quoting Lee's Tao for concepts.
To know about a thing, you should go to the man that was there with Lee since the beginning. That's what I did. And that's why I have no misconceptions.
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The color of JKD...
Actually Uke... JKD DOES have a structure. If you really understood the concepts you'd know that the principles can be applied to any art.Originally posted by Uke View Post
Economy of motion, intercepting, the five "ways" of attack, etc are universally applicable. The techniques are just the flavor of the icing on top of that cake...But you can paint it any color you like.Comment
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Another jkd thread? LOL
LMAO...Originally posted by Uke View Post
Not at all. Do you know what you mean? (seriously?)
Have you ever actually studied anything with JKD in it besides the Tao book?
You should hook up with a qualified JKD, JFJKD, JKDC.. etc, instructor and get a few private lessons. It would open your eyes a bit.
There are other (better) books that you could read too. Tim Tackett and Larry Hartsell among others have both published books worth reading on the subject.
If I'm not mistaken Mr. Brewer himself has published articles in your beloved Blackbelt rag. on the subject.
But again I'm not suggesting you could learn anything...Comment
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Can't make him drink...
Originally posted by Mike Brewer
You know what they say? You can lead a horse to water...Comment
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That is SO funny... I almost posted it with a drowning comment. I was trying to be nice but leave it open for you.Comment
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Actually, there is no argument.
If JKD was what many of you claim that it is, it wouldn't look different depending on what school you go to. If it were as you say, then the take on what JKD actually is wouldn't vary to such degrees.
And if you really want to get down to it, the man widely regarded as Lee's first and best student, Jesse Glover, is who I got my understanding and information from.
After that, I just began visiting schools like PFS and Rick Tucci's Academy. Made perfect sense to me. I've sparred with different JKD people. I've been all around the country from NY to Hawaii and many places in between, and I've met some interesting people from all styles. And the one thing that most JKD agree upon is that there are so many factions of JKD and so many different interpretations that its more of a label than a system or style. But I suppose you two know better, one of which has 3 years training but is a self proclaimed authority.
Intercepting, economy of motion, etc are all qualities that existed in other systems before Lee ever made a system. Those elements are found in wing chun, which is the real base of the system. Just like a lot of JKD people like to pretend that Lee came up with the idea of crosstraining. He didn't.
I am not attempting to seem like an expert on JKD. I am a man who has been around enough and fought enough differently trained JKD people to know that there is a difference in the way its done. This doesn't seem to be a problem for most JKD people to admit, just for you guys. This seems to be an understood problem for JKD as a whole, but here you are denying it.Comment
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Mike Brewer, while you have been to seminars with David James, understand this:
You couldn't claim to be an expert even if you wanted to. The minute that you began claiming to know anything passed the rudimentary level methods that David offers in his seminars simple questions about technique would unravel your lie.
I am not attempting to seem like an authority about JKD, but I have in my many years in the arts had several friends who study JKD. There are many former JKD students who are now students in the VAJ school, as well as other schools that I belong to. Just because what they've learned and concluded doesn't mesh well with your ideas doesn't mean that they are wrong or inaccurate. I know their reasons for leaving JKD, which doesn't imply that JKD isn't good, but by your reasoning all systems are equal, which is bullshit. If that were true, you would never have had to leave Tae Kwon Do. You would have gotten everything you needed and wanted there.
My ideas about JKD are not only my own. I've found through experience that JKD schools teach different things, but beyond that my opinions about JKD come from men who put years into it. Neither you or Tant01 can refute other men's years of effort and experience as much as you'd like to in an effort to defend something that hasn't been attacked.
If I can't discuss what I've found to be true as well as what others who have trained in JKD for years have found to be true, then this isn't a forum. Its a massage session for certain member's egos.
The above quote is from a man who is infinitely more capable and respected than either of you in JKD. You go take up that argument with him when either of you get done slapping each other's back and telling horse drinking analogies. I'm sure he'll be devastated to learn that he was wrong all along.We know that Bruce Lee's martial art should have no shape or form. But we also believe that students need a starting point and we see no better starting point than using techniques from Bruce Lee's modified Wing Chun, boxing and fencing. - Tommy Carruthers
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No one insulted your training, Mike Brewer. But you imposing the fact you've trained in JKD in an effort to say that no one else can have an opinion is ridiculous as well.
And I didn't say that Glover was an expert on JKD. I said that I went to him to find out the real deal behind Lee and his arts. I also said that what he told me led me to investigate things that I was curious about. You'll see that in my post if you actually read it.
Next I give you the name of two different schools that I went to investigate, and you are still harping on proving that Glover isn't a JKD instructor. Jesse is very vocal about not being JKD because he isn't doing what they do. But as usual, you make this about me having to know trivia about Glover instead of you being embarrassed at the fact that a respected proponent of JKD was quoted as stating the same thing as I did about Lee's art being formless.
How does that make me a pretender? If anything, it makes you look foolish for not knowing that about your own system. I am NOT a JKD practitioner. I admitted that above. I was not trying to come off as an expert on JKD at any point. I admitted that above. I do however, have my own opinions that come from men who learned from Lee and from men who have spent years studying JKD before leaving it for their own reasons.
Don't sit here and act like I need to pretend about anything to make those statements. I wrote a post last year about the fact that Glover didn't call what he did JKD, so understand that you're not introducing anything new to me. Read it for yourself.
You can make this about anything you want, but the fact that I had to quote a fact about something that you supposedly do in order to prove a point is the issue.
Oh and Mike Brewer, spare me the drama. You are one of the most snide posters on this site. You make your own sneering remarks, but when anyone else responds in kind you get bent out of shape. Buck up, dude. Its only conversation.
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