man shot after refusing to surrender his beer

[Piston]

Civilized discussion? On this forum? Madness I tell you!

In all seriousness, thank you as well Mike, its good see the view from across the pond sometimes. It also nice to know that there are some, if not a majority, of Americans who treat their guns, and their privelege to have them, with respect.

[darrianation]

Great posts guys.

In the NRA thread I made a point of trusting a government who is obviously paranoid of us the citizen. As far as the government is concerned it has really become an us versus them mentality.

I have talked too far to many folks who seem to think that safety is more important than liberty more important than freedom. Do you really think that if we gave up our liberty for a police state we would really be safe? Ask the folks in New Orleans who had their guns taken away and victimized by both the government and then by the roving gangs of thugs who were armed. Liberty is a risk I am willing to take.

[Piston]

I'm not for a complete ban on guns, I don't like governments getting too involved in the general populace's day to day lives. However I do believe implementing some form of system whereby there is a series of background checks to check that you're mentally sound/ not a convicted criminal etc. and also to have a database of who owns what sort of gun, and where it is kept, would be a good idea.

[darrianation]

The whole premise behind the “Republic” is minimal government interference in the lives of the individual citizen. The government was given certain keys to protecting those rights but there were a limits to what they can do (These limits are found in the Bill Of Rights).

Another component to the second amendment which doesn't seem to get talked about much anymore is the “Unorganized Militia”.

The second amendment also talks of two classes of the Militia the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia" in other words the citizenry not in the military.

In fact, the government by law is supposed to provide weapons training for all law abiding males between the ages of 17 and 45 not just those in the military. Although this maybe unrealistic and would certainly be a failure if congress did, still the congress has the constitutional power to create training programs in self-defense for everyone who wants it. Any guess how many millions would take weapons training at the government's expense or even for a small fee if offered?

The bottom line to all this is “we the people” are the final defense of America, the constitution, and freedom. But instead of encouraging folks to be able to defend themselves and to exercise their training responsibly powerful lobbying groups have and will continue to advocate passivity and disarmament.

So as we have seen Congress in their infinite wisdom declare war on our liberties when instead they should be looking for ways to empower us to protect ourselves when warranted. The Founders knew and put in the form of a written guarantee that the individual’s right to keep and bear arms is a key component for maintaining a free state, to provide both personal and collective self-defense against criminals both foreign and domestic.

Who do you think thwarted the terrorists on flight 93? Whoever thinks that the Militia is obsolete should tell that to the families of those bold heroic individuals of flight 93 who risked all and who by the way were all members of the “Unorganized Militia”.

Honestly if you ask me anyone who advocates disarming the citizenry is a coward and a traitor in my book.

Quote:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”

~ Marcus Tullius Cicero, 42 B.C.

[DickHardman]

The whole premise behind the “Republic” is minimal government interference in the lives of the individual citizen. The government was given certain keys to protecting those rights but there were a limits to what they can do (These limits are found in the Bill Of Rights).

Another component to the second amendment which doesn't seem to get talked about much anymore is the “Unorganized Militia”.

The second amendment also talks of two classes of the Militia the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia" in other words the citizenry not in the military.

In fact, the government by law is supposed to provide weapons training for all law abiding males between the ages of 17 and 45 not just those in the military. Although this maybe unrealistic and would certainly be a failure if the congress did, still the Congress has the constitutional power to create training programs in effective self-defense for everyone who wants it. Any guess how many millions would take weapons training at government's expense or even for a small fee if offered?

The bottom line to all this is “we the people” are the final defense of America, the constitution, and freedom. But instead of encouraging folks to be able to defend themselves and to exercise their training responsibly powerful lobbying groups have and will continue to advocate passivity and disarmament.

So as we have seen Congress in their infinite wisdom declares war on our liberties. Instead Congress should be looking for ways to empower us to protect ourselves when warranted. The Founders knew and put in the form of a written guarantee that the individual’s right to keep and bear arms is a key component for maintaining a free state, to provide both personal and collective self-defense against criminals both foreign and domestic.

Who do you think thwarted the terrorists on flight 93? Whoever thinks that the Militia is obsolete should tell that to the families of those bold heroic individuals of flight 93 who by the way were all members of the “Unorganized Militia”.

Quote:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”

~ Marcus Tullius Cicero, 42 B.C.

we need to stockpile weapons so we have some kind of chance of fighting back once the new world order finally takes control and we all live in a world like Fahrenheit 451.

[gregimotis]

Well, i have to say that this thread has improved immensly since I stepped back from it. Goes to show that hasty posting doesn't always make elequent posting.

[darrianation]

we need to stockpile weapons so we have some kind of chance of fighting back once the new world order finally takes control and we all live in a world like Fahrenheit 451.

Dunno maybe it would be better not to let get that far in the first place.

[DickHardman]

Dunno maybe it would be better not to let get that far in the first place.

they have already started to dissolve our armed forces, is anyone else concerned about this? war is now privatized, government soldiers have bigger incentives to join a private security company that will pay them tons more money despite the fact that the people paid for the government soldiers skills. further evidence of our armed forces being undermined at home is how our returning soldiers are being treated medically and financially. why is this being done? to push them all into private companies after they recieve tax payer training by the government. companies run the world.



"Private corporations have penetrated western warfare so deeply that they are now the second biggest contributor to coalition forces in Iraq after the Pentagon, a Guardian investigation has established.

While the official coalition figures list the British as the second largest contingent with around 9,900 troops, they are narrowly outnumbered by the 10,000 private military contractors now on the ground."


"The private sector is so firmly embedded in combat, occupation and peacekeeping duties that the phenomenon may have reached the point of no return: the US military would struggle to wage war without it."


"When America launched its invasion in March, the battleships in the Gulf were manned by US navy personnel. But alongside them sat civilians from four companies operating some of the world's most sophisticated weapons systems.

When the unmanned Predator drones, the Global Hawks, and the B-2 stealth bombers went into action, their weapons systems, too, were operated and maintained by non-military personnel working for private companies. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1103566,00.html

i know everyone is more concerned with who is going to win on american idol, but isnt anyone at all concerned by these developments?? anyone even care??

[darrianation]

they have already started to dissolve our armed forces, is anyone else concerned about this? war is now privatized, government soldiers have bigger incentives to join a private security company that will pay them tons more money despite the fact that the people paid for the government soldiers skills. further evidence of our armed forces being undermined at home is how our returning soldiers are being treated medically and financially. why is this being done? to push them all into private companies after they recieve tax payer training by the government. companies run the world.



"Private corporations have penetrated western warfare so deeply that they are now the second biggest contributor to coalition forces in Iraq after the Pentagon, a Guardian investigation has established.

While the official coalition figures list the British as the second largest contingent with around 9,900 troops, they are narrowly outnumbered by the 10,000 private military contractors now on the ground."


"The private sector is so firmly embedded in combat, occupation and peacekeeping duties that the phenomenon may have reached the point of no return: the US military would struggle to wage war without it."


"When America launched its invasion in March, the battleships in the Gulf were manned by US navy personnel. But alongside them sat civilians from four companies operating some of the world's most sophisticated weapons systems.

When the unmanned Predator drones, the Global Hawks, and the B-2 stealth bombers went into action, their weapons systems, too, were operated and maintained by non-military personnel working for private companies. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1103566,00.html

i know everyone is more concerned with who is going to win on american idol, but isnt anyone at all concerned by these developments?? anyone even care??

I couldn't agree with you more.

I wonder if some of this has to do with disguising the fact they want to implement the draft.

[darrianation]

Prep for the draft!

[DickHardman]

Prep for the draft!

thats pretty terrible dude.


thats really whats happening and its totally blatant.


theres nothing that can be done at this point.

[jubaji]

we need to stockpile weapons so we have some kind of chance of fighting back once the new world order finally takes control and we all live in a world like Fahrenheit 451.

Oh, what a surprise coming from you. Somehow the UFOs are sure to factor into this...

[jubaji]

almost no one wants a draft at this point

I wonder if some of this has to do with disguising the fact they want to implement the draft.

Who is "they"?




(this should be good... )

[DickHardman]

Oh, what a surprise coming from you.

yeah, im full of surprises, unlike you who is very predictable in the kind of tiresome reply you post every time...

[darrianation]

Who is "they"?




(this should be good... )

oops I screwed this one up.