Altercation avoided

[Uke]

What really happened

Tom did absolutely nothing aside from not overreacting to the initial exchange of words, so you can't be suggesting that he did anything but share his thoughts of what he imagined he would have done.

Let's look at the rules that Thai Bri posted:

1 - Show no fear <-- you start out this way. You don't turn it on later to taunt.

2 - Do not make threats <-- this one includes body language

3 - Do not become abusive <-- a stare down match qualifies

4 - Give the guy what he feels is an honourable exit <-- Tom basically started out with this rule and worked his way back in reverse order.

You have to be up close and personal for any of those rules to apply. This was a case of a couple of drunk, regular guys initially had fun and fucked with Tom a little bit. The rest was Tom's game plan of what he would have done had it gone passed him getting playfully poked in the chest.

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

[DickHardman]

Tom did absolutely nothing aside from not overreacting to the initial exchange of words, so you can't be suggesting that he did anything but share his thoughts of what he imagined he would have done.

Let's look at the rules that Thai Bri posted:



You have to be up close and personal for any of those rules to apply. This was a case of a couple of drunk, regular guys initially had fun and fucked with Tom a little bit. The rest was Tom's game plan of what he would have done had it gone passed him getting playfully poked in the chest.

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

lol there we go......


...i knew it was coming sooner or later lol.......good one...

[Uke]

Yea, Boar was deep into Tai Chi and the internal arts. I learned a lot from him. Lately I've just been adhering to the "nike" motto. "Just do it".

The problem with starting a new branch of martial arts is the cost involved. I get tired of paying tuition and private lessons are hard to find if you can afford them.

You can talk as much theory as you want but it isn't the same as applying it into practice. I come here because I know these guys and they know me.

Any suggestions you have for further theory enhancement would be welcomed. What sites do you recommend?

I don't understand. You just said you learned a lot from Boar, but later on you state "You can talk as much theory as you want but it isn't the same as applying it into practice". How does that make sense unless you've actually trained in person with Boar? He wrote tons of theory here at Defend and even managed to teach several people practical application ONLINE!!! Sooooo ...

There are plenty of high quality teachers that teach everything from combatives to taiji for free in person. Some are very famous. You just have to be in the right circles or be introduced by the right people ... which is why I suggested that you do what I stated. There was nothing theory based about what I suggested.

But you seem to be happy doing what you're doing, so stick with that bro.

[Tom Yum]

Honestly Tom, if you had to go as far as staring the guys down in an effort to show that you weren't afraid and risk provoking a situation by doing so then you might as well have just taken it to them when he poked you in the chest. .

Attack some dude just because he poked me in the chest? I don't think that is justifiable self-defense. The gentleman and his friend continued to taunt me after the chest poke.

When I stared them down, I didn't say anything. Kept it cool. I'm perfectly comfortable with how I dealt with the situation. I did not overreact; I kept it professional.

They could have upped the anti, stepped into my personal space and taught me a lesson...but the dudes big buddy chilled out, the aggressor changed his tone and the bar personnel cut him off.

Basically, handle it right the first time so you won't have to spend the rest of your night telling yourself and others how willing you were to kick his ass all because you became unhappy with how you dealt with it in retrospect.

Either way, the police would have been involved.

We both would have probably ended up at the station. One or both of us could have ended up at a hospital. I'd have to avoid one of my favorite watering holes and would have lost out on an opportunity of a lifetime.

[Thai Bri]

Uke - You've made quite an effort to point out what you think I meant by my post. But, from the perspective of what I think I meant with MY own post..... you couldn't be more wrong.

[Uke]

Uke - You've made quite an effort to point out what you think I meant by my post. But, from the perspective of what I think I meant with MY own post..... you couldn't be more wrong.

That's fine. Actually I didn't put out effort to point out what you meant. I was pointing out what Peyton Quinn meant. You just happened to be the guy who posted his words. Notice that it was only the rules that I used. Not a thing more from your post.

So relax a bit with the understanding that I haven't misconstrued your words. I didn't even use them.

[Uke]

Attack some dude just because he poked me in the chest? I don't think that is justifiable self-defense. The gentleman and his friend continued to taunt me after the chest poke.

When I stared them down, I didn't say anything. Kept it cool. I'm perfectly comfortable with how I dealt with the situation. I did not overreact; I kept it professional.

They could have upped the anti, stepped into my personal space and taught me a lesson - but the dudes big buddy chilled out, the aggressor changed his tone and the bar personnel cut him off.



Either way, the police would have been involved.

We both would have probably ended up at the station. One or both of us could have ended up at a hospital. I'd have to avoid one of my favorite watering holes and would have lost out on an opportunity of a lifetime.

Exactly. Nothing happened to even justify the title of this thread "Altercation avoided". If nothing happened, where's the avoidance? What skill or set of concepts did you use to diffuse or avoid anything except for letting a drunk dude's silly antics slide off your back?

What's worse is that you wrote that you started playing staring match games with the guys: The easiest way to provoke someone to come over and ask "You got a problem?".

The rest of the post was just "I woulda's" and "I coulda's".

I'm not saying anything except for it makes no sense for you to author an avoidance thread if you continued to stare them down and flirt with the fantasy of punching one guy out and hitting the other with a bar stool.

[Hardball]

Personally, I'd rather be sparring or rolling than trying to win an useless internet argument. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you dare anyone to knock it off. Maybe we can arrange an old fashion throwdown like they have on bullshido.net. Afterwards we can go out to a Japanese Hibachi Steakhouse and have a meal and a few beers. No harm no foul.

[Uke]

Personally, I'd rather be sparring or rolling than trying to win an useless internet argument. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and you dare anyone to knock it off. Maybe we can arrange an old fashion throwdown like they have on bullshido.net. Afterwards we can go out to a Japanese Hibachi Steakhouse and have a meal and a few beers. No harm no foul.

I have no chip on my shoulder. I didn't see this as an argument. I gave you some advice that would have allowed you to gain access to free quality resources and instruction offline and you responded by telling me that you were comfortable here. There's nothing for me to win in that. If you see that as an argument then that's insecurity on your part.

I don't know what bullshido-type throwdowns are, but I hope your not suggesting what I think you are. There's nothing friendly about would happen. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote last and reconsider your words, brother.

PS If I were to have a chip on my shoulder, I'd be justified after you sent some neg rep to KOTF and signed my name to it, wouldn't I? Instead, I've continued to be civil and have positive exchanges with you. But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

So let's keep it light and positive, and move on.

[DickHardman]

But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

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lol @ making threats over the internet. awesome. keep it up. keep it right up.

[Hardball]

I have no chip on my shoulder. I didn't see this as an argument. I gave you some advice that would have allowed you to gain access to free quality resources and instruction offline and you responded by telling me that you were comfortable here. There's nothing for me to win in that. If you see that as an argument then that's insecurity on your part.

I don't know what bullshido-type throwdowns are, but I hope your not suggesting what I think you are. There's nothing friendly about would happen. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote last and reconsider your words, brother.

PS If I were to have a chip on my shoulder, I'd be justified after you sent some neg rep to KOTF and signed my name to it, wouldn't I? Instead, I've continued to be civil and have positive exchanges with you. But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

So let's keep it light and positive, and move on.

Funny response dude!!! See you later, I'm headed for some Zen time at the ocean.

[Hardball]

I don't know what bullshido-type throwdowns are, but I hope your not suggesting what I think you are. There's nothing friendly about would happen. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote last and reconsider your words, brother.

PS If I were to have a chip on my shoulder, I'd be justified after you sent some neg rep to KOTF and signed my name to it, wouldn't I? Instead, I've continued to be civil and have positive exchanges with you. But don't get it wrong. I have no problem knocking you the fcuk out if you come at me the wrong way.

So let's keep it light and on a positive, and move on.

I agree, keep it civil. About the Neg rep, it was just a badly thought out practical joke. Sorry if you were hurt by it in any way. Peace Bro, I'm headed for Zen time.

[Tom Yum]

Exactly. Nothing happened to even justify the title of this thread "Altercation avoided". If nothing happened, where's the avoidance?

Now its about semantics?

What's worse is that you wrote that you started playing staring match games with the guys: The easiest way to provoke someone to come over and ask "You got a problem?".

The last thing I was trying to do was provoke a fight. I didn't have to say anything and these guys chilled out. Altercation avoided.

I'm not saying anything .

Yes you are...and here it is...

except for it makes no sense for you to author an avoidance thread if you continued to stare them down and flirt with the fantasy of punching one guy out and hitting the other with a bar stool.

What I authored makes perfect sense. Sorry Uke, but I don't flirt with dudes. I was prepaired to go at it if they stepped up, but they didn't.

[Uke]

I agree, keep it civil. About the Neg rep, it was just a badly thought out practical joke. Sorry if you were hurt by it in any way. Peace Bro, I'm headed for Zen time.

If it were all in fun, I'd have heard about it from you eventually and not from a moderator. I wasn't hurt by it, but the act was undeniably meant to cause friction between KOTF and myself. I don't see where the "Hahaha" part was supposed to kick in.

But no biggie. Enjoy the zen time.

[medic06]

I don't spend a lot of time here. This board isn't what it used to be and has become stale for the most part.

Hey!!!! They worked hard to quell the dissenters. We now have the New World Order on this forum . . . .