i need help please

[kingoftheforest]

Actually poisioning is a common method of assasination dating all the way back to Biblical times.

Doesn't make it any less of a sissy move. And more to the point

assasination

not self defense.

[Hardball]

I tried to positive rep you but puter says I must spread it around first.

[kingoftheforest]

I tried to positive rep you but puter says I must spread it around first.

Yeah I got told to stop spreading it by the CDC

[TTEscrima]

Actually poisioning is a common method of assasination dating all the way back to Biblical times.

Poison has historically been associated as the tool of women, even the Pope noted this in 1659 after being told of all the wives confessing to poisoning their husbands. While it has been used by men, it's frowned upon in the warrior and assassin's castes. The poisoners handbook (now banned in the USA) calls it the weapon of the weak. John Fletcher wrote that poison was the cowards weapon in his text on the subject in 1602.

[Hardball]

I'm gonna pos rep you too!

[Garland]

Poison has historically been associated as the tool of women, even the Pope noted this in 1659 after being told of all the wives confessing to poisoning their husbands. While it has been used by men, it's frowned upon in the warrior and assassin's castes. The poisoners handbook (now banned in the USA) calls it the weapon of the weak. John Fletcher wrote that poison was the cowards weapon in his text on the subject in 1602.

Please note somewhere that I intend to pos rep this post...apparently I'm not enough of a rep slut...my positive remarks tend to focus on a few select individuals...I don't "spread it around" as much as I should.

[Tant01]

Desperate times... Desperate measures...

While I do not personally condone or endorse poisoning personally, it is very much a part of so called "MARTIAL" arts. It's DARK, it's evil but it's effective.

There may well be legal consequences to such an act. It clearly demonstrates intent and premeditation.

Don't confuse self defense with murder...

[Guest]

I don't personally condone or endorse poisoning either. Then again, I don't personally condone or endorse slashing tendons, stabbing arteries, gouging eyes, crushing windpipes, blowing heads off, snapping arms or stamping on testicles.

But all of these things have been discussed with casual bravado, typically by the "real" or "street" crowd on this forum, on a frequent basis. But oh my lord, poisoning, thats just barbaric

[Tant01]

I don't personally condone or endorse poisoning either. Then again, I don't personally condone or endorse slashing tendons, stabbing arteries, gouging eyes, crushing windpipes, blowing heads off, snapping arms or stamping on testicles.

But all of these things have been discussed with casual bravado, typically by the "real" or "street" crowd on this forum, on a frequent basis. But oh my lord, poisoning, thats just barbaric

Subtle paradox, eh?

Look... the moral and legal implications of poisoning clearly demonstrate premeditation.

You just can't claim self defense with a weapon like that.

[Guest]

If its got serious enough to blind someone, cripple someone, stab someone or shoot someone....then its got serious enough to poison someone.

Your point about the legalities is absolutely correct, and having been in court three times, I'm not making light of the implications you will face.

[TTEscrima]

Hee hee.

I love it when people talk all big about "doing whatever it takes to win a fight" and then they piss and whine about how "unfair" or "dishonorable" one tactic or another is.

In all honesty, the fact that tough-as-nails, hardass warriors try to dissuade people from using a tactic - by calling it "cowardly" or otherwise - is a good indicator that it's something that works well.

Funny, I think, how people will stand there and look you in the face and tell you that all the things that constitute "cheating" in a sport fight are the very things you should learn first for real fighting. Then, in the same vein, they look at something like poisoning that works with little or no training against almost anybody and they cry foul.

Talk about completely inconsistent belief systems...

UH huh. Avoidance and lessening the potential damage of an encounter are self defense goals. No way in hell can you sell poisoning CUSTOMERS of an establishment you chose to work in as a viable self defense
solution. There is a MAJOR difference in reasonable actions and those of clearly premeditated mayhem. You couldn't possibly convince a jury that you brought a substance to work to spike customers drinks and smash their heads in while they were puking and that it was a reasonable self defense option. Pure and simple you would be sued and jailed, the establishment would also be sued, you didn't lessen the threat to yourself and your employer, you increased them significantly. Lets not forget I spent 20 years as the equivalent to the police in the Navy I know bullshit attempts to hide behind SD when I see them.

[TTEscrima]

I don't personally condone or endorse poisoning either. Then again, I don't personally condone or endorse slashing tendons, stabbing arteries, gouging eyes, crushing windpipes, blowing heads off, snapping arms or stamping on testicles.

But all of these things have been discussed with casual bravado, typically by the "real" or "street" crowd on this forum, on a frequent basis. But oh my lord, poisoning, thats just barbaric

Poisoning the customers of the establishment you CHOSE to work in because you lacked the skills to do your job legally and correctly is entirely different than using lethal force to defend yourself in an attack on the street that endangers your life or the lives of your family. Anyone who argues that a bar employee being told to poison customers instead of seeking a new job is the same thing as someone defending their life from rape or murder on the streets or in their home isn't being realistic they're just trying to defend an indefensible and idiotic position.

[Guest]

Lets not forget I spent 20 years as the equivalent to the police in the Navy

I don't think you are ever going to let anyone forget that

[TTEscrima]

If its got serious enough to blind someone, cripple someone, stab someone or shoot someone....then its got serious enough to poison someone.

Your point about the legalities is absolutely correct, and having been in court three times, I'm not making light of the implications you will face.

You're really going to try to claim that the courts are going to believe poisoning a customer in an establishment is self defense?? Are you calling the police before or after you poison them? Have you told the owner or manager you're poisoning customers? We aren't talking Cyanide here, this isn't an instant incapacitation, you have time to retreat or get help it isn't self defense it's assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder of someone who hasn't laid a hand on you or presented a weapon.

[TTEscrima]

I don't think you are ever going to let anyone forget that

Experience with and knowledge of the subject at hand is worth mentioning when people continue to make unrealistic and dangerous suggestions.