Mugging in NYC

[Uke]

You don't need to be shot or cut or stabbed or hit from behind with a two by four (or a frickin brick). You don't need to bleed or suffer or heal or try to forget the trauma you've seen or inflicted to KNOW that it's ALL going to HURT.

Spare me the hospital bills, felony assault charges, civil suits and jail. You can have all the limping and stitches and scars!

You only need to do any of that to KNOW HOW BAD it HURTS.

Now, go hit your thumb with a hammer so you can tell every carpenter in the world how to drive a nail, what an EXPERT you are on the subject and that everyone else who hits their own thumb is doing it wrong.

Words on the forum sometimes say more about the author than the reader...YANNO?

I challenge you to be less condescending and slightly more thoughtful?

Thanks UKE!

Got your point. I wouldn't have been condescending at all had he began his part in this discussion in a civil manner. Maybe you should go back a bit and see how he set the tone. I'm purposefully condescending at this point, Tant.

But your points still ring true.

[jubaji]

Got your point. I wouldn't have been condescending at all had he began his part in this discussion in a civil manner. Maybe you should go back a bit and see how he set the tone.

Waaaaa!!! He started it!!! Waaaaa!!!

[Tant01]

Third grade

Waaaaa!!! He started it!!! Waaaaa!!!

I'm sure Ju can do better than this? Show me something creative! LOL

[jubaji]

I'm sure Ju can do better than this? Show me something creative! LOL

Gimme a break, I'm going on 2 hours of sleep here.

[Garland]

Uke...you've completely missed my point and you seem to have taken my posts as an opportunity to rail against a number of things which I do not represent. Muay thai isn't all I've trained in.

As for your dirth of experience and your particular brand of RBSD... I have no clue what it even is...because you have never stated what it is. So far all I see is a bunch of whiny bitching on your part, not mine.

Osu? Kyokushin based? Really? Really Uke?

The only somewhat efficient knife work I have ever seen is based out of the FMA- pekiti and dekiti tirsia, sayoc, the stuff put out by shivworks, inosanto camp stuff, and the stuff put out by the dog brothers and gabe suarez recently. Would you call that stuff RBSD? Some of it is set up in a similar format...

[Uke]

There's so much I could say.

But as its been pointed out to me, the way I've been carrying on with certain wastes of time reflects a whole lot more on me than it does on them. The more I thought about that the more I realized that while I would proudly share my posts on SD and MA with people I know, I wouldn't ever want them to read a post were I acted like jubaji regardless as to if it were in response to his constant and creepy harassment.

I believe that every point I wished to make in this topic has already been made.

I'll just sit back and see how much further Garland and jubaji can take the subject. It isn't fair not to give them opportunity to express themselves and let them help others with their understanding of modern self defense and the proponents who helped to change it over the last 50 something years.

I stand by what I wrote about the news story though, and appreciate those who showed their support.

I think it will be interesting to see where they take the discussion. Possibly TTE and KOTF will offer their ideas as well.

[kingoftheforest]

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

[jubaji]

There's so much I could say.

But as its been pointed out to me, the way I've been carrying on with certain wastes of time reflects a whole lot more on me than it does on them. The more I thought about that the more I realized that while I would proudly share my posts on SD and MA with people I know, I wouldn't ever want them to read a post were I acted like jubaji regardless as to if it were in response to his constant and creepy harassment.

I believe that every point I wished to make in this topic has already been made.

I'll just sit back and see how much further Garland and jubaji can take the subject. It isn't fair not to give them opportunity to express themselves and let them help others with their understanding of modern self defense and the proponents who helped to change it over the last 50 something years.

I stand by what I wrote about the news story though, and appreciate those who showed their support.

I think it will be interesting to see where they take the discussion. Possibly TTE and KOTF will offer their ideas as well.

In other words, you quit. Run along now boy...

[Uke]

Uke...you've completely missed my point and you seem to have taken my posts as an opportunity to rail against a number of things which I do not represent. Muay thai isn't all I've trained in.

As for your dirth of experience and your particular brand of RBSD... I have no clue what it even is...because you have never stated what it is. So far all I see is a bunch of whiny bitching on your part, not mine.

Osu? Kyokushin based? Really? Really Uke?

The only somewhat efficient knife work I have ever seen is based out of the FMA- pekiti and dekiti tirsia, sayoc, the stuff put out by shivworks, inosanto camp stuff, and the stuff put out by the dog brothers and gabe suarez recently. Would you call that stuff RBSD? Some of it is set up in a similar format...

The man who created my system has master rank under Gaje, Presas and Marinas and was friends with Bo Sayoc. I would call anyone profcient in CQC blade arts combative practitioners, but not necessarily modern RBSD. As Tant01 once said "a self defense system is a bullet in your head", but I'd add that its more a technique than a system, and there's nothing modern about pointing and pulling. But it sure is effective!

Since you seem to be very interested in videos as they seem to be your main source of exposure, perhaps you would be interested in exploring this site: Martial Arts Video Reviews 1-100

You may be interested in the reviews. Good luck with that.

In other words, you quit. Run along now boy...

I haven't quit now and never have before. I just have a life outside of posting on this site. I had some free time and decided to come back to the site and write a couple of things, but as I stated earlier I have better things to do with my time than fight "fire with fire" in childish exchanges with you.

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

Right in the first post, brother.

[jubaji]

I haven't quit now and never have before.

Oh yes, of course, evidently...

[kingoftheforest]

Apparently the guy had some training in what to do in a similar situation.

I will admit I personally have never trained starting from an already been stabbed position, but there's proof it happens.

The main thing is he kept his head enough to immediately react by going on the offensive. He was armed which evened the playing field. He reacted instead of freezing up, which gave him a modicum of the element of surprise on his attackers.

He did exactly what RBSD theory tells you to do. Attack quickly brutally and until nothing is with in your danger zone.

He had only moments to react and asses the situation so he reacted on instinct and what he trained his mind and body to do in similar simulations during training.

I say good for him. he's proof you can defend yourself.

You are the first line of defense against violent crime.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

[IPON]

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

Kumite Ryu Jujutsu

[Uke]

Kumite Ryu Jujutsu

Awww .... you're just showing off now, IPON.

[Garland]

Whatev.

[Uke]

Exactly. Whatev.

You let days go by in order for those who have had the most to say to make a point and not simply nay-say posts, and not the facts contained in them. Once that happens, everything gets quiet and you begin hearing crickets chirp.

Its amazing how much noise some are willing to make about a thing that they don't even know about but refuse to learn enough about it to discuss it with any degree of competence.

Being able to recite tenets like "awareness and avoidance" doesn't mean you understand a thing. Especially if you think that this topic had anything to do with competing with muggers.

And just so you know Garland, "Osu" or "Oss" isn't just found in kyokushin.

Also Garland about your experience outside of playing tag ....

Krav Maga as taught in the US. is tae bo with an attitude. - Mark Tripp

Thanks for the quote, Tant01.

And speaking of Tant01 ... just because I recognize when someone is bullsh!tting their way through a discussion and I call them on it doesn't make it a flame war. You challenged me to be more helpful, and that's exactly what I was doing by sharing this article. It looked like most of the 8 people who post here enjoyed discussing it, but only two came to show their ass.

Why not challenge those two to produce a recent article where someone tae-bo'd or wrestled three muggers with knives? Better yet, ask them to produce a story from a legitimate US newspaper where anyone from their system/school has ever been shown to actually defend themselves!

I've produced an article from a legitimate US paper that makes all the points that I have here. This story was broadcast nationwide as TTE and few others heard it in their states. There's no leap of faith here.

I'd love to see what they have to offer. I'm sure all eight of us would.

If not, then like Garland said "Whatev".