The Reality of the Blade

[kingoftheforest]

Sorry, I forgot that one of the 'rules' is that competence can't be actual experiences, just theories and playing make-pretend.

Yes you must go out and kill people as well as be killed yourself in order to ever be able to be experienced in Juju's world.

As these experts on shark attacks, or plane crashes who have never gone out and got bit, or been in a crash are full of shit.

All the historians who study events from the past are full of shit too cause they weren't there right?

Just remember not all those who can teach and not all those that teach can.

But it's easiest to have never looked into something or someone and call them bullshit on the web.

What's even harder is when they show proof and all you can do is sit behind your keyboard and bit your knuckles, like jubaji does.

[jubaji]

Yes you must go out and kill people as well as be killed yourself in order to ever be able to be experienced in Juju's world.

As these experts on shark attacks, or plane crashes who have never gone out and got bit, or been in a crash are full of shit.

All the historians who study events from the past are full of shit too cause they weren't there right?

LOL! An impassioned defense of LARPing! LOL! Dismiss, denounce, and disbelieve what people have actually done in the rather unscripted real world because "that's not how it goes during our role play!" LOL. Classic hairdresser logic.

[kingoftheforest]

LOL! An impassioned defense of LARPing! LOL! Dismiss, denounce, and disbelieve what people have actually done in the rather unscripted real world because "that's not how it goes during our role play!" LOL. Classic hairdresser logic.

Where did I say dismiss people who have experience? Now your macho tale from the back of some comic book, I won't dismiss cause it's too damn funny, as for dis-believable yeah I'll denounce it for that.

I could give a rats ass what tanto says about you, sometimes friends don't see eye to eye.

But I still believe all the experience you have had or ever will have came from a high school gym.

Just because people don't want to run around giving tales of what they have or haven't done, doesn't mean they have no experiences.

Sometimes you get lucky and the other guy f*cks it up for himself. That's experience too not the best kind but it still is.

[jubaji]

But I still believe all the experience you have had or ever will have came from a high school gym.


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Doing what you do best, guessing and being wrong.

[jubaji]

Where did I say dismiss people who have experience?

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You've done it a million times here, and you do it again in this post.

[jubaji]

Just because people don't want to run around giving tales of what they have or haven't done, doesn't mean they have no experiences.

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*sniff-sniff* what's that smell...?

[Uke]

With all due respect to YOU Mr. Uke, My buddy Ju has been right on the money about so many other things, I've neglected to keep track! I consider him a Troll Patrol and I value his perspective.

You and I tend to butt heads and that's great. Keeps the forum alive? (right?) LOL

I'm happy to have something new to read even if it's your jubashing and I know it will roll off his back like so much other virtual smack!

Ju (baji) is great! But don't take MY word for anything... I've smeared my portion of crap on the man myself and he keeps on keeping on!

I take my hat off and bow respectfully to both of you my friends...

Oh... As to the topic? Eskrima or Kali. Something that will make my loved ones CAPABLE of "eliminating" a threat! lots of blood or recoil? (weapons?) Hand to hand is always a LAST resort!

Well with respect to YOU Monsieur Tant, I don't read many non-martial art topics on a martial arts site. And as it pertains to martial arts neither you or anybody else can produce just one post where jubidoo showed any competence. Sure, anyone can bullshit off other comments to seem like they know or have an idea, but anything passed that point has been pure bullshit.

The posts are all there so no one has to argue that point.

I don't doubt that you and jubidoo have forged a solid bond with each other and I'm happy for you two. He's still been a troll more than anything else on this site though. If he were to only chase off people like TigerClaw then that would be one thing. There have been plenty of trolls who have come to Pretend.net just to cause discord. But when he harasses members who actually take the time to discuss, explain and examine the material here plus the new material brought along with their own experience ... then yeah, he's pretty much a knob goblin.

That's not meant to take anything away from the quality time you two spend together alone, Tant. Its just how he has been in public forums online.

As far as the topic Tant, good answers. At least you mention arts predicated on weapons. Still, there are few eskrima and kali systems that I would advocate. There are some, but not many. Why? Because many of them are not rooted in combat but in dueling.

So many people think its so easy to become "practical" during a fight for your life. Learning flourishes and artsy footwork could mean the difference between life or death when you ass is on the line. You think that you won't attempt those things while you're in the thick of it but most likely you will. Too many FMA's these days are dueling dances with impressive flourishes and rhythmic footwork. FMA's nowadays have gone the way of kung fu into modern wushu. If that weren't true the the Dog Brothers wouldn't be such a big deal. They'd just be one more school who goes all out.

So I agree with ya, Tant. Just not with any ole FMA. I guess every style has its McDojo's though. The thing is that when comparing styles today people usually compare arts that haven't been McDojo'd to arts that have been largely, but not entirely. Meaning Muay Thai is what it is and has been. So its not McDojo'd in people's eyes. Now take karate for example. You mention karate in the same sentence with muay thai and most people will tell you that karate is bullshit. For the most part they'd be right. But for that small percentage that still practice the old ways and practice it hardcore, they'd be horribly wrong.

That's the problem with those just starting out today. They take their cues from advertisements and media hype rather than from finding out what's out there and who's the best at it. I know of excellent karate, jujitsu, kung fu and FMA schools and instructors, and the funny thing is that most people outside of MA circles haven't heard of them!! And those people would tell you that karate, jujitsu, kung fu and FMA suck compared to thaiboxing and BJJ based solely on what they see on television and Youtube.

Another point you made was that hand to hand is always the last resort. Great point, but people today often find themselves in positions where they cannot carry blades or firearms ... especially in NY and Cali.

The philosophy that I adhere to says that those who don't distinguish between empty hand and weapons are the best prepared. There are guys out there who are great with blades but as soon as they don't have one they become below average in terms of self defense. That's a problem. A BIG problem, don't ya think, Tant?

If it all came down to who's carrying what, then carrying a sidearm should make training for self defense unnecessary, right? Yet many if not most firearm instructors train in unarmed self defense. I have a serious problem with not being able to defend myself because I don't have a tool on my person.

The men I had always admired growing up were the ones who were just as vicious and dangerous without weapons as they were with. That's rare. VERY rare in fact if they are masters at weaponry. And they were.

Good chattin', Tant.

I don't wanna make this too long as I know you're busy moderating all the new posts here at Pretend.net.

Its a jungle here.

[Uke]

Just because people don't want to run around giving tales of what they have or haven't done, doesn't mean they have no experiences.

Well DJForest, let is not forget Mike Brewer's rule of wisdom#7:

7. People who can accurately recount all the details of their fights weren't actually there.

[jubaji]

Well with respect to YOU Monsieur Tant, I don't read many non-martial art topics on a martial arts site. And as it pertains to martial arts neither you or anybody else can produce just one post where jubidoo showed any competence. Sure, anyone can bullshit off other comments to seem like they know or have an idea, but anything passed that point has been pure bullshit.

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LOL. You're a bitter little LARPer, aren't you? Stay indoors, Mary.

[jubaji]

So many people think its so easy to become "practical" during a fight for your life. .

How often have YOU done so?

[jubaji]

The thing is that when comparing styles today people usually compare arts that haven't been McDojo'd to arts that have been largely, but not entirely. Meaning Muay Thai is what it is and has been. So its not McDojo'd in people's eyes. Now take karate for example. You mention karate in the same sentence with muay thai and most people will tell you that karate is bullshit. For the most part they'd be right. But for that small percentage that still practice the old ways and practice it hardcore, they'd be horribly wrong.

That's the problem with those just starting out today. They take their cues from advertisements and media hype rather than from finding out what's out there and who's the best at it.

How do YOU know what "most" people think or what "those" starting out are looking for? Got some hard data to back that up or are you just talking out our ass again? (or is that your mouth? ah well, same thing)

[jubaji]

The philosophy that I adhere to says that those who don't distinguish between empty hand and weapons are the best prepared. There are guys out there who are great with blades but as soon as they don't have one they become below average in terms of self defense.

And that will always likely be the case for the vast majority.

[jubaji]

If it all came down to who's carrying what, then carrying a sidearm should make training for self defense unnecessary, right?

NO. What a stupid idea.

[jubaji]

I have a serious problem with not being able to defend myself because I don't have a tool on my person.

Well, since you personally are seriously a tool, that works out well for ya.

[jubaji]

I don't wanna make this too long as I know you're busy moderating all the new posts here at Pretend.net.

Its a jungle here.

So you gotta take a dig at the site? If it is not up to your 'standards' (lol) why don't you go do your hair somewhere else, miss?