Please, Stop Training For Self Defense!

[WildWest.]

Thanks for all the pos reps guys.....I'd return the favour but I'm not allowed to!!

[kingoftheforest]

Thanks for all the pos reps guys.....I'd return the favour but I'm not allowed to!!

It's the thought that counts.



Cause little gray boxes don't.

[WildWest.]

I'd rather have a skill and not need it, than need a skill and not have it.

Totally.......

[Tokyo Kid]

I'd rather have a skill and not need it, than need a skill and not have it.

wow, you are so deep! Can I have your autograph?

[Tant01]

Yawn...

wow, you are so deep! Can I have your autograph?

It shouldn't be too difficult to separate yourself from the other trolls we've had here. (But I think you'll have to try a bit harder than this)

[GQchris]

What's with the hatred of self defense? to each his own right? I mean.. wtf

[kingoftheforest]

It shouldn't be too difficult to separate yourself from the other trolls we've had here. (But I think you'll have to try a bit harder than this)

I know a way you could separate him from everyone.

[Tokyo Kid]

What's with the hatred of self defense? to each his own right? I mean.. wtf

It's not that I hate when people defend themselves, GQ, or learning how to defend themselves. It's how self defense schools go about instilling fear into their students. Now we all love to train (I hope), but there are those who make training miserable with paranoid scenarios in order to keep students. Promises of secret lethal techniques, oriental mysticism, all of these are unnecessary. It's a simple matter of training hard using effective methods. Sadly, this isn't enough for the brainwashed masses it seems.

Of course it is the right of those who wish to train in unrealistic methods just as it is the right of those who would seperate a fool from his money. We also have the right to voice our own opinions on the matter. Now some would like to ban posters who don't follow the party line, or make accusations that have nothing to do with the matters discussed. I suppose that's their right too. But if you honestly care about people, you do your best to learn and teach realistic training methods for the betterment of each others well being.

[kingoftheforest]

We also have the right to voice our own opinions on the matter. Now some would like to ban posters who don't follow the party line, or make accusations that have nothing to do with the matters discussed. I suppose that's their right too.

Now we get to the meat of all the immaturity and silliness that TK is posting all over the forums.


Wambulance time.




You need to untwist your brain. You can't spout the crap you've been spewing. Ignoring actual content because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Then turn around and say you're being picked on for spouting nonsense.

[Tokyo Kid]

I said "I'm being picked on for spouting nonsense"?

[kingoftheforest]

I said "I'm being picked on for spouting nonsense"?

Reading and reading comprehension not really your thing is it?

[Tokyo Kid]

Reading and reading comprehension not really your thing is it?

grammar not really your thing is it?

[shaolin-warrior]

Objection

I 've read this and have to offer a difference of opinion. Training for self defense doesn't mean someone is capitalizing on your fears, or that the eventuality that you'll need your training is slim. I live in a multicultural prejudiced world, my students go to school with 15 year old gang members who have little or no value for human life. The only family some of these kids have are fellow gang bangers. The dojo and boxing clubs of my city offer a real refuge to kids who need not only a sense of belonging and self worth, but also a lesson in reality based self defense and the confidence that comes with the knowledge of being able to walk away from a fight for the right reasons, or to beable to have half a chance for survival in the event walking away isn't a viable choice. My students aren't a-holes looking for a bar brawl, they are scared kids stuck in a school system that is so over taxed and understaffed, that they can't offer a proactive approach to the bullying and violence. They talk about zero tolerance for school violence, but that only kicks in when they are handing out post mortum sentencing not worth much to the kid that just got his ass beat and his jacket or sneakers stolen. The reality that some of these gang bangers live in is so brutally harsh that you or I may never understand it. I've never had to steal a meal or an article of clothing, I've never come home to a mom who's boy friend was a street level thug. These kids will kill you with a brick for five bucks. Self Defense training is a business, but it's far from lucrative........ the rewards of teaching self defense are intrinsic. So before you offer to sell on of my students your dusty purple belt, be glad I instilled in them a true value for human life, because if not, if they wanted it they'd take it from you.

Peace, Shaolin Warrior

[Tokyo Kid]

Have you ever taught your students how to balance a check book? Teach them how to dress for a job interview? Have you ever offered a gang member free lessons? A dojo or gym that becomes a part of the community is a good thing, but I know full well how important kids classes are to a schools financial success.

I'm not directing this at you personally, I don't know your reasons for what you do. And you obviously don't know me or the things I've been through. You don't sound like one of these suburban weekend warriors that spend countless hours studying arteries and knife wound statistcs. But your students are going to need more than karate lessons if they are going to make it.

[Tom Yum]

OK, kickboxing then. Or maybe spend a half-hour out of his life and teach him a groin-kick or eye-gouge. Do you really think a well trained boxer can't fight outside the ring, without a ref?

I don't need to spend five hours a week pretending to put out fires, do I?

I love boxing, muaythai and grappling. I intend to keep those skills sharp whenever I get the chance and there are alot of folks in the armed services who are really good at them - pretty much wherever I go, I can find some good dudes who are better than I and train.

Not everyone is trained in kali, silat, kino mutai, certain styles of qin-na, RAT or Fairbanes Combatives. If some guy has developed a martial art to a level where he can use it in a spontaneous environment against resistance, I am interested - not only do I like the athletic/dynamic/fun persuit of MMA, I like to pick up useful skills, where others aren't focused.