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    Sword-wielding Hopkins student kills intruder -- baltimoresun.com

    baltimoresun.com
    Sword-wielding Hopkins student kills intruder
    Intruder was repeat offender, released from prison Saturday
    By Brent Jones, Liz F. Kay and Jill Rosen

    Baltimore Sun reporters

    September 16, 2009

    Hours earlier, someone had broken into John Pontolillo's house and taken two laptops and a video-game console. Now it was past midnight, and he heard noises coming from the garage out back.

    The Johns Hopkins University undergraduate didn't run. He didn't call the police. He grabbed his samurai sword.

    With the 3- to 5-foot-long, razor-sharp weapon in hand, police say, Pontolillo crept toward the noise. He noticed a side door in the garage had been pried open. When a man inside lunged at him, police say, the confrontation was fatal.



    "He was backed up against a corner and either out of fear or out of panic, he just struck the sword with force," said Baltimore Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. "It was probably with fear for his life."

    Pontolillo, who rents the house in the 300 block of E. University Parkway in the Oakenshawe neighborhood, struck the intruder no more than twice, police say, nearly severing his left hand and inflicting what police termed a "spear laceration."

    The intruder, Donald D. Rice of Baltimore, a 49-year-old repeat offender who had been released from jail only Saturday, died at the bloody scene.

    Pontolillo, 20, of Wall, N.J., whose identity was confirmed by law enforcement sources, was released late Tuesday afternoon. Guglielmi said it would be up to the state's attorney's office to determine whether he will be charged in the incident.

    In a statement Tuesday, Hopkins officials told students there had been more than a half-dozen burglaries in the area recently, and that police presence would be bolstered.

    Diego Ardila, a Hopkins student who lived with Pontolillo in the three-story, five-bedroom house during the summer, said Pontolillo owned a samurai sword and generally kept it in his room. He described Pontolillo as somewhat outgoing, but said they didn't talk a lot.

    "You don't expect to hear that someone you know killed a guy with a samurai sword," said Ardila, 19. "From what little I know of him, he wasn't some guy going out to kill."

    It is legal to possess a sword in Baltimore, Guglielmi said, and "individuals have a right to defend their person and their property." He declined to comment on whether its use in this case was appropriate.

    University of Maryland professor David Gray, who specializes in criminal law, said prosecutors must weigh whether Pontolillo felt his life was in danger or whether he became the aggressor.

    In Maryland, Gray said, an individual is not expected to retreat from suspected danger in his own home. But it is unclear how the law applies to an enclosed backyard.

    If the student felt he was in danger of severe bodily harm, then he was within his right to protect himself, Gray said: "It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a sword or a frying pan."

    The sword police recovered from the scene, with a sharp blade and ribbon-wrapped hilt, is a replica of a historic samurai weapon. Though a real one would cost thousands of dollars, Guglielmi said, this one probably cost a few hundred.

    The police spokesman said the student who wielded the weapon had no advanced sword training. "He wasn't a ninja," Guglielmi said. "He may have been moderately trained or on the intermediate level."

    Hundreds of varieties of samurai swords are available online to collectors and hobbyists, martial arts enthusiasts and students of swordplay through stores such as Steve Dibble's Japanese Swords 4 Samurai site, based in Birmingham, Ala.

    His swords range in price from about $50 for the model called the "Kill Bill," after the violent Quentin Tarantino films, to more than $2,000 for a handmade "Katana" forged of steel, a hilt wrapped in leather and silk, and decorative flourishes of silver.

    Midrange swords, the type apparently used in the Baltimore incident, are those likeliest used at martial arts schools, he said, where students want a weapon sharp enough to cut.

    To inflict lethal damage requires some skill, Dibble said.

    "To be that confident with it that he would go grab it, he may have been into martial arts," he said. "You would have to hold it with two hands and be confident that you would really know what you were doing."

    Mantis Swords, an online outlet based in Westminster, specializes in sharp weapons. "Our swords are ready for cutting," owner Shawn Salafia said.

    Salafia sells mats that people can soak in water so that when they dry, they'll be roughly the consistency of a person.

    "You stick them on a stand, and you cut them," he said. "If someone laid their hand into it, you could probably cut into it pretty darn deep."

    By Tuesday afternoon, two pools of blood remained on the ground a few feet away from the door to the garage, which is not connected to the home. A gate in a wooden fence surrounding the backyard was broken, allowing the scene to be viewed from the sidewalk.

    Michael Hughes, who lives about a block away in the neighborhood, heard screams early Tuesday.

    "I could hear the fear in the voice, and I could tell someone was scared," said Hughes, 43, who works for Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health.

    He called police and then walked over to the crime scene.

    "The body was near the garage," he said. "I watched them carry the sword out. The whole thing was surreal and totally bizarre."

    Rice, of the 600 block of East 27th St. in Baltimore, had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, Guglielmi said. He had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center, where he had been held after his arrest by county police last year for stealing a car in the city. He was found guilty in December of unauthorized removal of property and was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

    The incident was the second this week in which a man was wounded trying to commit a robbery. An off-duty Baltimore police officer shot and critically wounded a man who had tried to rob him at gunpoint in his Northeast Baltimore home, according to police. He chased the man for two blocks before opening fire, police said.

    Baltimore Sun reporter Justin Fenton contributed to this article.

    Copyright © 2009, The Baltimore Sun

  • #2
    Honestly

    In reality these are the only type of instances where you would actually use a sword.

    It's not like you're going to carry around a samurai sword where ever you go like some subtitled film.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
      In reality these are the only type of instances where you would actually use a sword.

      It's not like you're going to carry around a samurai sword where ever you go like some subtitled film.
      For the most part thats true, but there are a few select units who carry short swords today (one American and one Canadian that I know of) and a number of highly decorated vets carried one in Nam...some others carried huge cleavers.

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      • #4
        The whole town is buzzing about this guy..........he is now some kind of good guy hero.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hardball View Post
          The whole town is buzzing about this guy..........he is now some kind of good guy hero.
          I gues by some people's definition, now he's a warrior.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hardball View Post
            The whole town is buzzing about this guy..........he is now some kind of good guy hero.
            Good to hear. The DA has talked about assembling a case against him. Public sentiment will make it harder to do so.

            The poor guy is facing thousands of dollars of legal bills even if the case never sees the inside of a courtroom. The fact that he got robbed just a few days before and was probably still mad, he did not call the police and went off to the garage after grabbing a sword can be twisted by the prosecution if they have an agenda.

            Does anyone know what race the dead guy was or the student? On another forum someone said that the DA started out as a lawyer for the NAACP. If the dead guy was white, that pretty much shoots down the idea that she is doing this as part of some racial agenda. But none of the reports I have seen say anything about the race of anyone involved.

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            • #7
              Race doesn't matter in this case because the dead guy had a lengthy criminal history and was just released from jail. The swordsman is a good guy college student in his early 20's from out of state.

              The States Attorney would commit political suicide if he/she brings charges against the college student.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                Race doesn't matter in this case because the dead guy had a lengthy criminal history and was just released from jail. The swordsman is a good guy college student in his early 20's from out of state.

                The States Attorney would commit political suicide if he/she brings charges against the college student.
                I hope you are right. The fact that she is talking about it makes me worry. Let us hope there is enough groundswell support of this kid to squash any chance of a suit against him.

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                • #9
                  Probably some advocate will want blades of a certain length made illegal to even own at this point.

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                  • #10
                    Then you still have the "Grandfather Clause"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                      Then you still have the "Grandfather Clause"
                      Is that Santa's dad's dad?

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                      • #12
                        Actually it's an important clause especially for firearms owners. Remember the 30 round clip ban?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
                          Probably some advocate will want blades of a certain length made illegal to even own at this point.
                          It has happened in the UK.

                          Of course, first there probably would be a huge media blitz about the epidemic of sword violence. Once one network picks up the idea and starts getting good ratings, the others will pick it up.

                          Remember the teflon bullet scare a few decades back? The weird thing was, even though teflon bullets were not against the law for civilians to own, none of the makers of them would sell to anyone but police agencies. Toss that one out to your friends when they start talking about gun violence and the way the media portrays things.

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                          • #14
                            When they outlawed guns in the U.K., then the U.K. became the Shank capitol of the world.




                            baltimoresun.com
                            Police doubt Hopkins student intended to use sword to kill
                            Intruder's death is 3rd incident of kind in month
                            By Justin Fenton | The Baltimore Sun

                            September 18, 2009

                            Baltimore homicide detectives don't believe a Johns Hopkins University student had "the intent to kill" when he used a samurai sword to confront an intruder outside his home, a police spokesman said Thursday.

                            Police say John Pontolillo, 20, a chemistry major from New Jersey, killed the man with a single blow early Tuesday. Pontolillo has not been charged in the death of Donald D. Rice, 49, a career criminal who was released from jail just three days before the altercation. Prosecutors will determine whether charges are warranted after consulting with police, a process that could take weeks.

                            "We do not believe he went down there with the intent to kill somebody," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said of Pontolillo. "We're looking to see if he was the aggressor, and so far the evidence doesn't suggest that."



                            The student was the third Baltimore resident in the past month to draw headlines for a confrontation with an intruder. In August, a man used a baseball bat to bash a man who police say was attempting to rob a Fells Point store for the third time. And this week, an off-duty police officer shot and critically wounded a man who police say had forced him to the ground at gunpoint in his Northeast Baltimore home.

                            Guglielmi's comments came as officials clarified the sequence of events that led up to the killing outside the East University Parkway house that Pontolillo rents with three other students.

                            Just after the incident, police said that it was a noise coming from the garage behind his house that led Pontolillo to get his sword and go outside early Tuesday, hours after the burglary of a video game console. Police said that Rice lunged at Pontolillo.

                            On Thursday, Guglielmi said that Hopkins police had visited Pontolillo and his housemates before the incident to warn that a neighbor had spotted a suspicious person lurking in their backyard, and that the students had joined the officers in canvassing the neighborhood.

                            Guglielmi said that an unspecified number of Hopkins police officers, one of them an off-duty city officer moonlighting with the Hopkins force, were called to the 300 block of E. University Parkway on Monday night to investigate the report of a suspicious person. Guglielmi declined to say what time the officers received the call or arrived on the scene.

                            Hopkins police Maj. George Kibler said his officers have arrest powers on campus but not off campus, where they are sometimes called by students or staff for assistance. When responding to an off-campus complaint, Kibler said, the university police are essentially "there as a citizen," though the off-duty city officer would have had the ability to make an arrest.

                            Guglielmi said the officers knocked on Pontolillo's door, and Pontolillo informed them of the burglary of an Xbox 360 and a video game that according to the police report occurred between 8 p.m. and 9 p.m. Guglielmi said the housemates and the officers searched the area around the house but didn't find anything unusual.

                            After the officers left, Guglielmi said, the housemates decided to check the area again. Pontolillo took the sword, Guglielmi said. As Pontolillo checked the yard, Guglielmi said, he noticed Rice crouched in a corner. He told Rice not to move, Guglielmi said, and yelled for his roommates to call police.

                            Pontolillo was backed up against the exterior of a garage door. Guglielmi said that Rice moved aggressively toward Pontolillo with his arms raised. Guglielmi said Pontolillo swung the sword in one downward stroke toward Rice, hitting him in the upper body and the hand. Rice's left hand was nearly severed, and he bled to death at the scene.

                            University of Maryland School of Law professor David Gray said the new details could work in the student's favor, suggesting it was less likely that he initiated the altercation. The police, Gray said, by knocking on the students' door and canvassing the area with them, "showed them that the responsible thing was to walk around."

                            "The way the newest version of the story plays out, it sounds like they were more on a neighborhood watch than out to initiate a confrontation with a specific person," Gray said. "If that's what was in their mind, it's much less likely that a prosecutor will determine they were [criminally] responsible."

                            In Maryland, a resident does not have an obligation to retreat from an attacker in his own home. Gray said it is unclear how the law applies to a fenced-in yard.

                            Defense attorney Jerry Tarud, a former police officer, said he doesn't believe the new details change the likelihood that Pontolillo could be charged.

                            "Apparently the police didn't do their job adequately, and the guy wanted some peace of mind," Tarud said. "Nobody in their right mind is going to look around [for an intruder] without being armed. ... The guy was simply defending himself."

                            The Associated Press contributed to this article.
                            Last edited by Hardball; 09-18-2009, 03:52 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                              When they outlawed guns in the U.K., then the U.K. became the Shank capitol of the world.
                              It doesn't mean they got rid of guns among the criminals. Last I heard, the criminals had tons of pistols. I am sure you are shocked, shocked to hear that.

                              They banned swords, then knives after the pistols because it is easier for political hacks to ban an object and say they are doing something to fight crime than to deal with the actual underlying causes. From what I read and hear, the kids are carrying knives around and doing what they do because it is considered "cool" in some obscene way. There is no way politicians can convince youth that something is not cool.

                              With the police saying what they are, it would be very, very hard for the prosecutor to go ahead with the case. The kid will still have to pay the retainer for a lawyer just in case, but he should avoid the inside of a courtroom. Score one for the forces of good!

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