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[Thai Bri]

Mulan, I haven't read the whole thread! Sorry.

Cruciform..... I think there is a little bit more to being a soldier than being able to fire a gun. Like Mulan, I'm all for women being, for example, in the Commandos if she can keep up on the 30 mile hike on the way to the battle. But I am NOT for having the men carrying her to her destination while she claims the same pay and equal status.

[CruciformSword]

I don't disagree with you, Thai, on that, I've marched quite a ways with a full pack myself on occasion. My cheif complaint is that it is assumed that women cannot be the equals of men. They should not recive unfair advantage, nor should men. That is what I mean. Though, you will agree that the hight/weight requirement should be lower for them.

[Thai Bri]

I don't think there should be a height or weight requirement at all. All that should matter is whether or not a recruit can do the job. Fat, thin, tall, short, black, white, male, female...... It all SHOULD be irrelevant.

[Fallout2man]

A footnote to add to the discussion. The founding fathers also favored (for the most part) a wall of seperatation between the church and state. A lot of these things like under god being added to the pledge of allegiance was added during the height of the Red Scare by the Eisenhower administration to seperate us from those "godless commies."

[mrniceguy148]

Hi, I’m from this country (The US of A, for clearification), and know quite a bit about its history..

The cockroaches in Mulan's old appartment are from this country also. Obviously they know more than you do!

Trust me, they would have liked totalitarian dictatorship a lot less, and that was what everyone else went into at the time..

No shit Shirlock! Lucky for us we got the best plan possible for it's time. It's too bad that we've now found it necessary, over the passed 40 years, to systematically dismantle our formula for success.

We’re taking morality advice from a man with 58 mistresses and have ‘too much democracy’? How do you have ‘too much democracy’? ‘Oh, I’ve had too much democracy today! I had better listen to those old Hitler speeches…”..

That's not morality advise bro! That's just a short and, albeit, incomplete history lesson. Yup! You know when your country is sufferring from "too much democracy" when illegal immigrants are given voting rights and then given free schooling and free health care. You also know that your country is sufferring from "too much democracy" when your federal government racks up half a trillion dollars in budget deficits in one year to fight a war that our kids will be stuck having to pay for. Any more questions?

Or maybe they have a democracy deficiency? Too much Stalin in their diet…

You're getting close. I'm beginning to feel like special ed teacher..........

I might point out that we had great economic growth under a liberal president, and serious economic downturns under two god-fearing (silly term0 conservative ones. I think it has more to do with jobs going overseas, so we have too many people and not enough jobs to go around, no matter who fills them…

Presidents don't pass economic policy or spending bills. Congress and the Federal Reserve are the ones you should be looking at. It just so happens that the Democrats were the majority party in congress from about the late 1930's straight through until about 1994. That's about 50 years worth of unopposed half-assed wasteful spending and disasterous social engineering fiascos. Over those 50 years the Democrats have done a damned good job of screwing up both our economy and our social fabric.

As far as jobs going overseas is concerned. That's just one more reason why we can expect this nation to get poorer in the coming years. Therefore, it's just one more reason why middle class America should start keeping their famlies together and return to the lifestyle that worked so well in the 1950's. Even though the lifestyle would be different today, I think we have to go in that direction because the jobs probably won't bee there in the future. Maybe this time around the women can work and the guys can stay home with the kids. How do you like that arrangement?

Um, God made Eve Adam’s equal, and typically, nature makes the female tougher and longer-lived then the male. Somehow I doubt that a group of tougher longer-lived people are going to destroy our ‘once proud nation’ and isn’t pride one of the seven deadly sins, by the way?…

Pride has nothing to do with it bro! It's simple economics and family stability issues. Like I said, maybe it's time that the guys stayed home with the kids and these "tougher longer lived" women went off to work. That would solve the problem..........

So, what, St. Joan of Arc should have told God “I’m a girl, I can’t do what you want me to, I have to stay at home barefoot and pregnant, not save the kingdom of France!”??…

From what I remember, wasn't Joan of Arc burned at the stake? Maybe she actually should have just stayed home with the kids

Actually, it’s been proven that women deal with stress better then men do.!

It hasn't been proven at any of the places where I've worked! Not by any stretch of the imagination......

Ok, one, how is a worldview that is a by-product of the Victorian Era ‘God’s plan’? I fail to see how forcing women into the home will stop jobs from fleeing overseas, with the consent of our ‘moral’ President Bush, to nations where women and children are forced to work in sweatshops all day for little or no pay.

Jobs going overseas just aggravates the problems that I've been discussing here. If the Victorian Era ‘God’s plan’ is the best plan then let's just stop kidding ourselves and go with it! We've become a nation of spoiled babies! It's either "grow up or suffer!"

I can see that CruciformSword forgot to take his meds today.........

[mrniceguy148]

A footnote to add to the discussion. The founding fathers also favored (for the most part) a wall of seperatation between the church and state. A lot of these things like under god being added to the pledge of allegiance was added during the height of the Red Scare by the Eisenhower administration to seperate us from those "godless commies."

Correction! The founding fathers favored total separation between church and state. That's because the European model of shared power between church and the monarchies was often a corrupt and bloody coexistence.

[mrniceguy148]

[QUOTE=Mulan]mrniecgeguy148, I know my history and I refuse to debate with somebody who bases their argument off Christianity. One irrelevant correction tho... it was 2nd world, not 3rd world. [QUOTE]

Hi Mulan,

Sorry if I struck a raw nerve here. Nothing personal, I assure you. Actually, I'm not a bible thumper either, however our nation's history was, in part, built on selective Biblical interpretations. Personally, I can't see how any discussion about the developement of our nation could be complete without a mention of the Bible. Some of the proverbs are, in fact, quite relevant even today. However, I wasn't invoking the Bible as an excuse to trash alternate lifestyles or anything else. Just saying that it was a loose guiding post that our ancestors used, and it did help make our nation a world superpower. For better and for worse! However, yes, I'm Christian and that's probably why my last post came off sounding a bit heavy handed. I didn't think you'd like it! LOL !!

Take care,

Mr. Niceguy

[Fallout2man]

Correction! The founding fathers favored total separation between church and state. That's because the European model of shared power between church and the monarchies was often a corrupt and bloody coexistence.

Wall of Seperation was the term used in the letters between Jefferson and Franklin, if I remember right. As well, I see little as to how family structure has anything to do with outsourcing. You want to know why our wave of prosperity stopped? If anything it was the refusal to modernize, which we can thank the labor unions for being a big part of.

When another country can make things faster, better, and cheaper by automating a factory and paying 10 child workers a penny a day to do the remaining jobs, they'll take that over america any day. These problems are simply companies finding a way to cut costs. Family structure has zero to do with any of this, it's all about money in the end, and the fact is it's cheaper to go where you can pay a person 10x less for 20x the work.

[mrniceguy148]

Wall of Seperation was the term used in the letters between Jefferson and Franklin, if I remember right. As well, I see little as to how family structure has anything to do with outsourcing. You want to know why our wave of prosperity stopped? If anything it was the refusal to modernize, which we can thank the labor unions for being a big part of.

When another country can make things faster, better, and cheaper by automating a factory and paying 10 child workers a penny a day to do the remaining jobs, they'll take that over america any day. These problems are simply companies finding a way to cut costs. Family structure has zero to do with any of this, it's all about money in the end, and the fact is it's cheaper to go where you can pay a person 10x less for 20x the work.

Outsourcing of jobs is a factor. However, I'm not sure if lack of modernization was even an issue. The environmental laws beginning in the 1970's cost us many jobs as well. However, another big problem was corporate downsizing due to, yes in part, foreign competition but also because modern technology has made it possible for business to get more output with less manpower.

All this was starting to happen as women were entering the workforce in droves. Up until the mid 1970's society regulated job distribution and evened out incomes by discouraging married women from working. Hey, the feminist sold us a bill of goods and now the biggest drag on wages has been the fact that many women are now in competition with men for the shrinking availability of jobs that actually pay a living wage. It's basic supply and demand economics. If I'm competing with only five other guys for a position then I have a better chance of being hired and I can negotiate a better salary for my family than I could if I'm competing with five guys and five women for the same position. Womenkind has bitten into the apple of paradise for the second time and, like the first time, -- now we're all f**ked again!

[Mulan]

Woman
(1) Takes less hits to break stuff.
(2) Cant hit as hard a man
(3) Has lower spacial awarness than man (woman washing cars)
(4) Have less real fighting experience than a man
(5) Can be as fast as a man but generally less coowardinated

Well, I never intended it to be a women in the military thread, but since you bring it up, points (3) and (5) are entirely false and points (2) and (4) are relative. None of them, however, have anything to do with women in the military where the actual act of combat is done with guns and weaponry... not point-blank range hand-to-hand.

All these accounts are probally being logged onto by the same IP.

Huh? Well go ahead and check the IPs. O.o Is it so hard to imagine there's still sane people on this board? Let me guess, I'm posting as Thai Bri too, right? Why would I possibly make multiple accounts when I could, and have been, just reply as myself?

Mrniceguy, this is hitting the point of stupidity because fallout2man, cuneaformsword, and mulan are all the same freggin pearson.

Actually, this got to the point of stupidity the moment mrniceguy148 mentioned nature and the Christian God in the same sentence and attempted to bring religious circular logic into a rational debate. I have my own views of spirituality, but I don't base my arguments off them and actually try to pass it off as fact.

Womenkind has bitten into the apple of paradise for the second time and, like the first time, -- now we're all f**ked again!

Sweet lord, I didn't know there were still literate people that thought this way. I gave you the benefit of the doubt earlier, and so humored you with replies no matter how rediculous I thought your claims were judging by my personal experience, but now I see how you think, and it's just pointless to argue with somebody that's beyond reason. I'm sure you think the same of me. But, to put it in the way you did a while back, "I know I'm right."

[Fallout2man]

Outsourcing of jobs is a factor. However, I'm not sure if lack of modernization was even an issue. The environmental laws beginning in the 1970's cost us many jobs as well. However, another big problem was corporate downsizing due to, yes in part, foreign competition but also because modern technology has made it possible for business to get more output with less manpower.

Yes, of course at the time, labor unions were screaming about any of these sorts of things. A lot of places in the USA just didn't keep up with the technology of the times like foreign companies did, we basically just never even tried for various reasons (like the unions), and eventually we couldn't compete anymore on the level of foreign nations.

All this was starting to happen as women were entering the workforce in droves. Up until the mid 1970's society regulated job distribution and evened out incomes by discouraging married women from working.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Hey, the feminist sold us a bill of goods and now the biggest drag on wages has been the fact that many women are now in competition with men for the shrinking availability of jobs that actually pay a living wage.

So you'd rather throw capitalism out the window when it doesn't suit your needs? The fact is our economy's based off of competition. The more competing men and women there are the more likely they are to try harder for that job. I'd rather have the best and most highly skilled applicant doing the job, be they man or woman. That said, I'm not a fan of "quotas" I just would rather the entire thing be race/gender blind.

It's basic supply and demand economics. If I'm competing with only five other guys for a position then I have a better chance of being hired and I can negotiate a better salary for my family than I could if I'm competing with five guys and five women for the same position.

And if you're the best person for the job, you'll get hired. You can't just suddenly decide to surpress half of the population because you've decided you'd like to be paid more, or don't like the fact someone of another gender may be better then you at your profession.

Womenkind has bitten into the apple of paradise for the second time and, like the first time, -- now we're all f**ked again!

Oh please, spare me the melodrama and biblical refferences, you've yet to provide any direct evidence to support your claim that women are directly responsible for this situation, and that we wouldn't be here anyway had they never started to work.

[sherwinc]

You earlier claimed that you were from the same country as mulan, and that supprised me because you didnt ask her which part, which would be normal for two people in a foreign place to mention.

This is pathetic you know nothing about about the us military cuneaformsword. The handheld rocket type antiarmour weapons that our army uses are the LAW (Light Antitank Weapon) and AT4, although other handheld weapons do have an antiarmour capability. The RPG's that are being used in iraq are most likely RPG-7s which were a soviet weapon that is found widely on the world arms market. I just wanted to point that out, to show just how ignorant you are.

As far as women in the military, why dont you create another thread to debate women in the military.

(Now onto Fighting, not women in the military)
Yes women do have a lowercenter of gravity and can use that to their advantage (i'm a short guy) but they have a shorter reach. Let me lay things out for you.
Woman
Takes less hits to break stuff.
Cant hit as hard a man
Has lower spacial awarness than man (woman washing cars)
Have less real fighting experience than a man
Can be as fast as a man but generally less coowardinated

Men
Stronger bones, and more muscle resists hits more
Hits much harder than women
Has greater spacial awarness than women
Lots of expierence with childhood fistfights (although play in comparrison
(its not like the dojo)
Is more cowardinated and skilled with punching, and getting in a few blocks.

perhaps what you only know is only a fight in Hand-To-Hand..... just give up your previosly learned art and switch to learn KungFu..... learn the art of Chinese Sword Fighting then you'll convinced that KungFu is not just a hand-to-hand but it contains weaponry like sword, saber, spear, 8-sectional whip, tri-sectional staff, twin hooked swords.....

how about you????? you only learn only Hand-To-Hand fighting and that's worst......

Note:
after learning KungFu weaponry..... you may too use umbrella, pole map, or any other available weapons with the absence of true kungfu weapons....

Note:
anything that we can held unto our hands is considered as WEAPON.... switch to KungFu and give up your previosly learned art......

[sherwinc]

BTW: It isnt difficult to see how to turn most ordinary objects into weapons.

Example:
in Ambrella, if you hold your umbrella in its handle, you can use the techniques of the TaiChi Swords...... but if you hold your umbrella thru its tip, you can use the techniques of the Twin Hooked Swords

Note:
since KungFu Weapons is the extension of the KungFu's Hand Attacks....... then, the way you fight (KungFu) whether purely straight, angles, semi-circle or circling hand attacks is also the same as the way you swing (attack) using your kungfu weapons......

NgoChoKun KungFu: Sai & Monkey Pole

WingChun KungFu: Butterfly Knives & 6 1/2 point pole

ChiDianBun KungFu: Twin Hooked Swords & 3-Sectional Staff & Twin Short Double Bladed Daggers

[Tom Yum]

Okay, but just how is kung fu better than women?

Sherwinc does a donkey show...jj

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc does a donkey show...jj

do ask me Martial Arts type of questions and not like those of another stupid question......

that is the reason why you non-kungfu until now, doesnt really understand the true devastating moves of kungfu......


Note:
KungFu's devastating moves is not measure in how many wins you have in a tournament......

now ask me valid questions........