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  • Front Desk Security--this is crap!!!!

    How many of you have been to a ton of workshops on "self-defense" and then later found out that everything you learned was crap?

    Well, I got sent to a front desk security workshop, and it was even worse than I expected!

    It started out okay, being told that every workplace needs to establish a workplace violence policy and a domestic violence policy (since 75% of domestic violence victims are targetted in the workplace) and telling us to contact our local police department to come up with a plan for our workplace (something everybody there could have done for free). Then they went over some pretty eye-opening statistics (the #1 cause of death at the workplace for women is HOMICIDE--it's the #2 cause of death for men at the workplace, right after transportation accidents), there are 16 million people harassed every year at the workplace, 6 million are threatened, 2 million are attacked and 1,000 are murdered... Pretty hairy numbers, from a good source (the US Dept. of Labor, 2003). They went over which professions are more prone to violence, causes of workplace violence proliferation, some ideas of response teams that could form at workplaces to address it (because we all know that such things get implemented right away without any red tape or countless meetings or anything ) and of course some other (often ineffective) policies like log-in sheets.

    Since we know from their statistics that workplace violence has happened and could happen again, you would THINK they'd go over some ways to deal with it. And they did, in a section called "Cooling the Hot Head." These are their suggestions for dealing with angry people, remembering it is your space, not their space:

    1. stand up for yourself (stand, make eye contact, straighten spine)
    2. be courteous initially (pleasant greeting and voice, give them time to vent)
    3. interrupt them if necessary (call them by name, use the broken record technique, drop something--great idea, ey? that's what I would do if i felt threatened )
    4. try calming them (get them to sit, offer to help them, offer an alternative)
    5. terminate the conversation (be friendly but give your bottom line, reiterate what you can do, thank them for bringing the matter to your attention)

    I may be biased, but there is not a single woman I know who doesn't know each and every one of these techniques. Since the women in this workshop included people working in security, in government offices, in the mental health profession, someone who's workplace had been set on fire, and people dealing with other such issues, one would think they would go over what to do when things get out of hand. And they did.

    1.visualize calm
    2. straighten your back
    3. inhale and exhale deeply

    Yes, these things help people in life threatening situations every time. Then they talked about how panic was a controllable response, and you could do things like rearrange your desk, vent to a coworker, listen to music or write in your journal. HELLO?!?!

    Then we broke up into groups and did some scenario training. One scenario involved a description of a man who was terminated for illegal drug use, and came into the office, pounding on the desk and demanding to see a director. When told he is out for the day, this man kicked over a potted tree and starts screaming about how the company ruined his life. There were other guests in the lobby, and we were asked what we would do. The response was to acknowledge him by name, take him to another location (yes, that's a great idea, I want to be alone in a secondary location with a crazy guy on drugs who just kicked over a plant), try to calm him down by making eye contact, surfacing the tension, using empathy and sympathy, etc. HELLO, you're going to put yourself in a dangerous situation. I couldn't stand it anymore, so I said something, and the teacher agreed with me and said people would need to go to their company's security plan of action, or get a supervisor. Well, if people had trained supervisors and if everyone's company had a solid security plan of action, would they be sending them to this workshop?

    But the last straw was the appendix section on how to respond to assault. They didn't even go over this in class, which honestly just astounds me. I'm not sure if it's because of liability concerns, or what, but you'd THINK assault would be covered in a workshop about SAFETY. But like I said, it was covered in the workbook, and this is what they wrote.

    Responding to an Assault: Remember, the goal is to get away!

    Blending. This is a concept from a martial art called aikido. Personal Demonstration. Place the index finger of one hand inside the fist of another hand. Hold the index finger tightly to prevent the finger from being pulled out of the fist. Resisting with your "fisted-hand," try to pull out your index finger. It is impossible. Now, quickly thrust the index finger int he direction it is being pulled by the fist. Then, quickly pull the index finger in the opposing direction. The index finger will be free.

    IS THERE ANYBODY THAT CAN SEE ANY POSSIBLE USE FOR THIS IN AN ACTUAL ASSAULT SITUATION!?!?!?

    Next was negotiation, yet another item that I'll argue that RECEPTIONISTS ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO.

    "Use your intuition. If possible, open a dialogue between yourself and the assailant. Your goal here is to minimize the attack. Guidelines: use the calmest voice you can. Talk softly and slowly. Redirect their aggression toward something else. Hint: If they are attacking you because of who you work for, tell them how "very angry" you are with your company also. Express your understanding of how they feel. Lying. Tell them anything that might evoke their sympathy."

    And finally, although the teacher let us know twice that she will not be handing out guns and knives and that we will not be getting in camo and crawling (which is fine, that's what I'm doing this weekend, lol) there is a section here on "Responding to Assault."

    "Fighting:

    The decision to fight is a very personal decision. Fighting does increase your risk of physical harm. A suggestion is: No material object is worth dying for, but if you believe your life is about to end, FIGHT!

    General Guidelines

    1. It is your right to live and to be happy. No one has the right to harm you.
    2. There are no rules.
    3. This is not a game.
    4. You must do whatever it takes to save your life.
    5. You can have no unfair advantage.
    6. Your main weapons in combat are sincerity, determination and the will to survive.

    The Principles of Fighting When Attacked:

    1. Imagine your attacker's chest is a small door.
    2. Now release every ounce of energy you have concentrated inside of you and DRIVE YOUR ENTIRE BODY THROUGH THAT DOOR.
    3. Do not stop until you are on the other side!
    4. Rip, tear, claw, bite, hit and kick your way through that door.
    5. Keep fighting until your attacker is either immobile or has fled. Do not leave the scene until you are sure they will not pursue further.
    6. Then RUN. Do not stop until you have reached help!

    Refuse to be denied! Fact: A 4'11' woman, who believes her life or that of her loved one is about to end, can effectively defend herself against any size assailant. She has more to lose.

    You CAN take preventive and escape steps!!!"

    I don't think I even need to nitpick all the little things that are wrong with these neatly written statements, except to say that they will get people hurt and they are crap. RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT!

    Thanks for reading.

  • #2
    Heh, that looked really bad.. I wonder how much you paid for that .. lol?

    The response was to acknowledge him by name, take him to another location (yes, that's a great idea, I want to be alone in a secondary location with a crazy guy on drugs who just kicked over a plant), try to calm him down by making eye contact, surfacing the tension, using empathy and sympathy
    Yep go with someone who is a threat to you to a location where you are alone. Get attacked and try using your sympathy!!


    Blending. This is a concept from a martial art called aikido. Personal Demonstration. Place the index finger of one hand inside the fist of another hand. Hold the index finger tightly to prevent the finger from being pulled out of the fist. Resisting with your "fisted-hand," try to pull out your index finger. It is impossible. Now, quickly thrust the index finger int he direction it is being pulled by the fist. Then, quickly pull the index finger in the opposing direction. The index finger will be free.
    Don't people usually hold the wrist or do a bear hug or something. I mean I have never heard of a situation where a person holds the other by a finger.

    Use your intuition. If possible, open a dialogue between yourself and the assailant. Your goal here is to minimize the attack. Guidelines: use the calmest voice you can. Talk softly and slowly. Redirect their aggression toward something else. Hint: If they are attacking you because of who you work for, tell them how "very angry" you are with your company also. Express your understanding of how they feel. Lying. Tell them anything that might evoke their sympathy.
    I think thats good to do and all but you want to teach people how to lie?
    I'm pretty sure every person on this planet knows how to lie...

    1. Imagine your attacker's chest is a small door.
    2. Now release every ounce of energy you have concentrated inside of you and DRIVE YOUR ENTIRE BODY THROUGH THAT DOOR.
    3. Do not stop until you are on the other side!
    4. Rip, tear, claw, bite, hit and kick your way through that door.
    5. Keep fighting until your attacker is either immobile or has fled. Do not leave the scene until you are sure they will not pursue further.
    6. Then RUN. Do not stop until you have reached help!
    Hmmm I don't see why they say imagine his chest as a door.... I mean seriously, wouldn't drilling your finger in their eye, give them a gorin shot or even choke them be better?
    I don't see how chest attacks will work since the attacker will probably pull your hair as soon as you grab his chest and RIP AND TEAR AND BITE. It isn't that easy. =/

    Did they even teach you anything about self defense, that was actually useful?

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    • #3
      It sounds like this program was put together by some corporate human resources representative who's idea of self-defense is to clear her throat loudly when someone tries to cut in front of her in the line to the snack machine.

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      • #4
        Luckily, my company paid for my coworker and I to go so we didn't have to pay for it. But we'd requested to go thinking we'd get something useful out of it...

        At least they stressed that companies need to come up with security plans and policies (something that they can do on their own for free...)

        And yeah, let's have a bunch of 5'4 women target BG's upper body. At least they didn't actually spend any time on that section so maybe nobody will look through the manual...

        Originally posted by blitz
        Did they even teach you anything about self defense, that was actually useful?
        No.

        Originally posted by Sagacious Lu
        It sounds like this program was put together by some corporate human resources representative who's idea of self-defense is to clear her throat loudly when someone tries to cut in front of her in the line to the snack machine.
        LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I knew you guys would understand my frustration.

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        • #5
          Oh and one more thing, after telling us panicking was a bad idea (and the whole breathing, straight spine "solution" to it) they then proceeded to go around the room and get suggestions on how to deal with panic. People said things like, "I rearrange my desk" and "I listen to music or take a walk around the block." HELLO, do you know what an adrenaline dump feels like????

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          • #6
            Originally posted by treelizard
            HELLO, do you know what an adrenaline dump feels like????
            You get tunnel vision and your peripheral vision goes blury. Your internal body clock is going 3,000 mph while everything around you is going about 2mph - slow motion. Your short-term memory forgets about everything the day before and can only remember a few things around what the hell just happened.....

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            • #7
              LOL! Now if you can rearrange your desk after that happens, I'd be really impressed.

              Originally posted by Tom Yum
              You get tunnel vision and your peripheral vision goes blury. Your internal body clock is going 3,000 mph while everything around you is going about 2mph - slow motion. Your short-term memory forgets about everything the day before and can only remember a few things around what the hell just happened.....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by treelizard
                LOL! Now if you can rearrange your desk after that happens, I'd be really impressed.
                I could......

                ....just don't ask me where anything is 5 minutes later when I finally realize wtf just happened

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                • #9
                  This could get someone could get killed -

                  Pathetic.

                  Atleast you were smart enough to see through it...

                  Thanks, Danny

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                  • #10
                    ?!

                    Tough situation- in the workplace...they cannot advocate violence and actually show you how to hurt the attacker. They would get sued.

                    You are not security- you are at the front desk. Your role is to tell them that they are out of line...but as to what they can tell you to harm another person..Nothing...that is not in your job description. My mother work's in hospital's..and they can't do a thing..but try to escape harm! 9and they get shown a few thing's...I'll ask her again).

                    That aikido one...sound's like Wing Chun's Push/Pull principle. That is cool though- find out what else it can do for you. Try scenario's and try to escape using it. Martial technique's build from small idea'.

                    How's this- extend your Ki...i.e.think more and more and more positive...NOTICE..already you are thinking negatively..make the leap of faith and try to see the positive in what they tried to teach you.(In the small realm of possibility's you are allowed to use. Non-Violent Resistance(!?!)).

                    Ask the boss, I didn't quite understand- would we be allowed a refresher...so as to ask question's and so they could re-itterate in a more focused fashion.

                    Oh-YES.. Chi-Kung states...that in order to relax you must first be focused.

                    That is the purpose of having an action plan. Now go learn that Push/Pull thing until you are happy with it.

                    Practise until you own the Technique.

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                    • #11
                      The workplace is responsible for EVERYBODY in the building, including the front desk. And if there's no security, the front desk IS security. We are de facto security.

                      Nonviolent resistance? Extending your ki? Positive thoughts? You ever been in a real fight? And like I said, EVERY SINGLE RECEPTIONIST that I have ever met ALREADY KNOWS how to speak in soft even tones, placate pissed off brats, surface the tension, yadda yadda. Sometimes it ain't enough, which is why people chose this workshop. Not to learn how to speak sweetly to would-be attackers, but to look at other options.

                      And they didn't even teach us the "technique" I just read it in the manual.

                      I'm not concerned about myself or my ability to respond appropriately, I'm concerned that they're teaching this shit to people who actually need information that could help them.

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                      • #12
                        well-

                        in protecting their staff...surely they must tell you that fighting is not the answer. It could well be THE BEGINNING OF ALL THAT SUCK'S.

                        You wanna start fighting in the workplace-REALLY!

                        If you got skill's..use 'em..but they are not gonna teach you what other martial art's tell you to do..what other martial art's tell you to do is not necessarily going to go down well in court! The company name will be dragged through the mud... ..you'll get fired..you'll find it hard to get a good reference... .

                        It's up to the individual's moral's(and skill) to be appropriate in their use of their martial skill's...MA's is a can of worm's! The company/government dept. has to be very, very careful in the mass teaching of what is appropriate...morally. Everyone's got different idea's. Are they supposed to teach you how to box..that's a skill that take's MORE RESOURCES(oh-and is not appropriate for the workplace).

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                        • #13
                          Of course I don't want to fight in the workplace. That's why I'm going to end any altercation that arises by whatever means I need to.

                          Your idea that defending one's self in practical ways that go beyond "extending your ki" or aikido moves that don't work (as opposed the agressor) being "the beginning of all that sucks" is naive at best. You don't like fighting in the workplace? What the hell do you think's going to happen as you sit there passively while some bozo attacks you? Think they'll stop with you once you're down?

                          I think I care more about my life than about the company name being dragged through the mud, the potential of getting fired, or a possible bad reference. If you're dead, does it really matter?

                          If a seminar advertising itself as teaching safety and security in the workplace is too pansy-assed wussy to teach real skills, the very least they could do is a) STFU and not teach women things that won't work b) focus on how to recognize a threat or potential situation instead of focusing on skills that receptionists already have and exercise in their line of work (such as placating assholes) and c) refer women to places that can ACTUALLY help them (many of which have million-dollar insurance policies and fancy lawyers in case some idiot decides to sue someone for saving their life.

                          And boxing can be VERY appropriate for the workplace, depending on the situation.

                          I refuse to think so little of myself and my coworkers that I am more concerned about my jobs or references than I am about my life or the lives of those around me. And by the way, self-defense is still legal, last I checked. So is referring people to self-defense courses that could actually help them.

                          I have to ask again--have you ever been in a real fight or an actual situation where you felt physically threatened? Have you ever been in a situation when talking sweetly to your agressor and relying on qi gong tricks that take lifetimes to master didn't actually work? Because these situations happen every day, whether people want to stick their head in the sand about it or not.

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                          • #14
                            It's all about covering someone's rear end.
                            Cheap talk about office sexual harrassment- CYA.
                            Self-defence seminar -CYA. (cover your ---.)

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                            • #15
                              The law is fucked. Simple as that. The system cares more about a rape survivors's sexual history than about putting the predator behind bars, criminals get more rights than victims, self-defence can land you in jail while the attacker gets off scott-free because you attacked him with your car keys in your hands.

                              I think in a few years, you can just forget about learning MA or protecting yourself, because you'll end up more screwed than your asailent.

                              As long as the government believes that they can make violent crimes disappear by hiding their heads in the sand and restricting lawful citizens from protecting themselves (Hasn't anyone told them that someone who is planning to commit a major crime, like assault or robbery is probably going to ignore a more trivial law about carrying a knife or gun with them) then us law abiding citizens will be rooted.

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