Womens self defense, or MMA grappling?

[TTEscrima]

9 mm beats an eye gouge every last time.

That's an typical uniformed assumption. No weapon is the solution to every situation every time.

[TigerClaw]

I have a friend who's competed in women's MMA matches; of course she also has a concealed carry permit. 9 mm beats an eye gouge every last time.

Not allowed in Canada as far as I know

[TigerClaw]

I have a friend who's competed in women's MMA matches; of course she also has a concealed carry permit. 9 mm beats an eye gouge every last time.

Not every time. if a person with a gun comes within the range a good kung fu fighter should be able to disarm him before he can get a shot off. There are good fast techniques here to overcome the close range man with the gun.

[Sagacious Lu]

Not every time. if a person with a gun comes within the range a good kung fu fighter should be able to disarm him before he can get a shot off. There are good fast techniques here to overcome the close range man with the gun.

It seems like a bunch of kung fu guys already tried that and it didn't go too well for them. Have you ever heard of the Boxer Rebellion?

[Tant01]

THANK you!

That's an typical uniformed assumption. No weapon is the solution to every situation every time.

Ahhh... LOL A moment of clarity...

[TTEscrima]

It seems like a bunch of kung fu guys already tried that and it didn't go too well for them. Have you ever heard of the Boxer Rebellion?

Yep, EIGHT countries had to send troops and heavy artillery to fight a group of Boxers who were essentially unarmed and completely disorganized.

A "boxer".

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The International army relief forces and their artillery.

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[Uke]

By making a violent situation worse I meant attempting small joint manipilation, eye gouging etc.etc,etc... all have some risk. THESE techniques have a tendency to INCREASE the level of force the bad guy is willing to use. IT PISSES THEM OFF.

Couldn't that be said about any technique that doesn't end the fight immediately? Small joint manipulations work just fine if they are set up correctly, but aren't meant to be fight enders. They are arrest to control techniques.

Of course using any illegal weapon may have consequences that make a bad situation worse. It is the reason I mention the words "self defense" being a LEGAL TERM.

As far as all the legal consequences go I have this to say: Its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. The best way to avoid legal consequences is not to stick around afterwards.

Have you ever seen someone get tazed? They are nearly 100% effective.

Can't say the same for bullets...

I can. It ain't about the pure stopping power of the calibur. Its about target placement. Shoot a man in his foot, balls or knee cap and he won't be giving much chase. And its all below the waist so that's its nice and neat for legal ramifications.

My personal views on combat lean toward the psychology of conflict. It's all about making them change their MIND.

That's all fine and dandy for situations that involve a build up, but my personal views on combat lean toward being more capable rather than being more persuasive. A man on crystal meth ain't thinking much at all. Good luck changing his mind.

[Tant01]

Couldn't that be said about any technique that doesn't end the fight immediately? Small joint manipulations work just fine if they are set up correctly, but aren't meant to be fight enders. They are arrest to control techniques.

Yes, that's why I used the word "attempt" Lots of things are attempted



As far as all the legal consequences go I have this to say: Its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. The best way to avoid legal consequences is not to stick around afterwards.

Leaving the scene of the crime is no less a felony than...



I can. It ain't about the pure stopping power of the calibur. Its about target placement. Shoot a man in his foot, balls or knee cap and he won't be giving much chase. And its all below the waist so that's its nice and neat for legal ramifications.

Attempted murder... Or Assault with a deadly weapon


That's all fine and dandy for situations that involve a build up, but my personal views on combat lean toward being more capable rather than being more persuasive. A man on crystal meth ain't thinking much at all. Good luck changing his mind.

We both know INTENT can change. Even in the heat of the moment.

[TigerClaw]

It seems like a bunch of kung fu guys already tried that and it didn't go too well for them. Have you ever heard of the Boxer Rebellion?

I said within range, by that I mean within arms length distance.

[Sagacious Lu]

Trying to disarm a gunman bare-handed sounds like one of the most desperate things you could attempt. As in desperate to the point of being suicidal.

[jubaji]

Yep, EIGHT countries had to send troops and heavy artillery to fight a group of Boxers who were essentially unarmed and completely disorganized.

Ah, don't try to play around with history for dramatic effect.

[TTEscrima]

Trying to disarm a gunman bare-handed sounds like one of the most desperate things you could attempt. As in desperate to the point of being suicidal.

So, you're empty handed and a deranged individual corners you and your family and pulls a gun. That's the definition of a desperate situation. Exactly which options DO YOU have that aren't desperate? Prayer? 911? You gonna box and kickbox your way out? Suplex them or go for a flying armbar? Enlighten us on your better suggestions.

The SF rely on weapons and back up, when those fail they rely on whats called hand to gland combat which is derived from techniques drawn from the CMA's...but I'm sure you all have better advice and experience to draw on, PLEASE explain what they're doing wrong.

[jubaji]

Small joint manipulations work just fine .

...in the dojo/club/dojang/kwoon/etc.

[kingoftheforest]

Yes this is true, and that is why the element of surprise is very effective particularly for women. If the attacker thinks that she is a push over he will possibly let his guard down just enough for the woman to attack and escape.

Statistically this is a good way to be viciously attacked.

Very seldom does playing submissive get the attacker to let his guard down.

If his intent is to rape you and you show an open posture, odds are he's gonna pounce and attack violently.

[Sagacious Lu]

So, you're empty handed and a deranged individual corners you and your family and pulls a gun. That's the definition of a desperate situation. Exactly which options DO YOU have that aren't desperate? Prayer? 911? You gonna box and kickbox your way out? Suplex them or go for a flying armbar? Enlighten us on your better suggestions.

The SF rely on weapons and back up, when those fail they rely on whats called hand to gland combat which is derived from techniques drawn from the CMA's...but I'm sure you all have better advice and experience to draw on, PLEASE explain what they're doing wrong.

You've completely missed my point. What I'm saying is that there is no good way to fight a gun unarmed. You might think you have an idea that sucks slightly less than any of the other options but no matter what you do if the other guy has a gun and wants to shoot you you're probably going to get shot. TigerClaw's assertion that "a good kung fu fighter should be able to disarm him before he gets a shot off" is bullshit plain and simple. I've seen gun disarms and they're very nifty in the classroom with a toy gun but they should never be attempted unless you're willing to give your life... which is probably what will happen if you do try them in the real world. For the most part I think they do more harm than good because they give some impressionable people a false sense of security that is more likely to get them killed than it is to save their life.