Men's Violence

[chalambok]

Are Women 'Conditioned' to Date Jerks?

The title pretty much says it all. My guess is that when a woman dates a 'nice guy', they think, is that all the better it's going to get? Whereas when they date a jerk there is always the chance it will get better. Please remember this is just a discussion forum, and send me no threats. We don't want to have to start a Women's Violence thread. LOL Also, substitute men for women in the above and it rings just as true. Are all of us just victims at heart? Just trying to stir the pot a bit.

'A married philosopher belongs to comedy." - Nietzsche

[Szczepankiewicz]

This thread sure capitalized on a lot of the popular psychobabble.


So it's wrong for men to use violence? This is stated by someone who advocates the use of violence by women OR the use of violence by men to protect women.


I like that post by Fighter stating that 'it's just plain wrong'. Talk about your overgeneralizations and subjective value assessments of the youthful.


You hear and read stories because those are the stories that people want to print and want you to read. Sometimes they print the truth, but more often than not, they print what they support and want you to support as well.

People will only get along with each other for as long as they deem it advantageous. There will ALWAY be a fringe element of predators lurking to take advantage of others.

Irregardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, height, weight, hair color, eye color, or shoe size, humans, like all other animals are genetically programmed to survive.

I am all about peaceful resolutions to all manner of problems. In fact, I support it so much I am in training to become a mediator for a non profit organization.

However, I am no fool to believe that millions of years of genetic coding can be erased by social institutions bent on saving us from ourselves.

'It takes in reality only one to make a quarrel. It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion.'
William Ralph Inge

Spanky

[eXcessiveForce]

okay, I'll put in my two cents.


First statistics lie, plain and simple. Becareful not to mistake statistics for facts.

Men are violent, okay so what is your point.

Women are violent as well.

To say that almost all violence to children is commited by men is comical.

The difference is, for instance sexual abuse is almost imposible to diagnosis in a young boy. Also if a woman abuses a girl child there will be little evidence as well unless an object was just for pentration of the child.

I prefer to avoid violence but I just wanted to share a few things from my life.

I have been attacked by women far more times in my life than by men. Not because I am weak, or appear feable but because women believe that I will not retaliate.

I have been slapped for disapreeing with a woman. Which had it been a man I would have become extremely violent.

I had a girlfriend in high school that like to hit me all the time. One day I had to make it clear to her that she did not have the right to hit me. I made her realize that I was stronger, skilled and much more capable of inflicting harm on her than she was on me. The difference was I chose not to act.

I also had to report my instructors wife to the authorities for sexual abuse of a minor. She had propositioned me andI had turned her down. So she went on to younger children and forced them into allowing her to abuse them.

I have had women verbally accost me as well. I had a girl who was half my size stand infront of me and call me everything that she could think of. Why did she do this because she thought she could because I didn't respond. Over time she eventually became civil to me.

When I was in forth grade a high school girl chased me home with a few other people every day. Later she appologized for it but that was years later.


the point. Who did I ever tell about any of this. very few people. Why, because they did not have the power to hurt me bad enough for it to be a problem.

I have also had women go get men to threaten me. Good tactic and strategicly sound. One even had someone threaten to kill me. After a word with my would be attacker I called her and told her If I had to hurt this poor sap I would go and hurt her as well for getting him involved in something that he was not prepared for.


There are hundreds of stories I could tell but the point is. Women have just a violent of a will as men. The difference is most lack the ability to carry out their violence.

Why didn't I ever hurt any of the women above? simple I didn't need to. They did not pose a threat to me. If one of them had pulled a knife I would have killed them if I could have. Because that is a threat against my saftey.

Small men are attacked by large men, Small women are attacked by large women and large men. Large women still think twice about attacking small men because the probability of success is low.

If a woman want to be agressive then let her be treated like a man. the difference is in our society most men do not feel that it is necessary to defend themselves against a woman.

How many men would call the police because their wife hit them with something? most would just strike back and it would be done.


Violence is a universal problem. It is not gender based.

Statistics only deal with what is reported but many things in life never get reported.


okay well enough from me for now.

I do not think that this particular topic helps women protect themselves nor will it help any situation by telling men that violence is their fault.

The lion does not attack the doe because it is female but because it is weak at that moment. people are not much different

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Yeah but the Lion wants to eat the doe and it's a different species. Lion attacking a Lioness would be a better analogy.

And you can use a wolf to catch a wolf. Or if enough sheep ram the wolf, the wolf will perish.

I like animals!



The real aspect is this. Men and women (for the most part) want to be loved, respected, and not talked down to, put in predicaments of humiliation, helplessness, violence, etc.

To place a person (an innocent person) in any of these types of situations (or to glorify it in any way) is ugly to me.
Take it for what its worth.

I, however, have decided to put reason and discussion aside (since everyone listens to themselves talk so loud they can't hear anything else) and become none other than a SUPERHERO!

Really.

........... I mean it.

I'm not kidding!

You'll see!

You'll all see!






Ryu

[Szczepankiewicz]

You like animals? Are you particularly fond of sheep by any chance? That could be your super uniform. Ryu Fleece: Agent of L.A.M.B.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

I'm not allowed to go near sheep anymore.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Ahh yes, too much violence.

[Hulk]

Originally posted by eXcessiveForce

There are hundreds of stories I could tell but the point is. Women have just a violent of a will as men. The difference is most lack the ability to carry out their violence.

Nowadays, doesn't everybody regardless of race, gender, religion and age get the feeling of killing another person? There is a killer inside each one of us, but only a few decides to act upon them or some are just crazy enough to do so. Most just fantasies them.

In this day and age, what do you guys/girls think? Are men more violent than women or vice versa? I think not. We are equal . Now I don't think there is any need for a feminist group or something like that ('cept in the third word countries).

[Ryu (JKD?)]

LOL! Women are also violent, and do commit acts of violence. However to honestly believe women are "equal" to men in violent tendencies, violent fantasies, violent upbringing, violent crime, etc.
is downright silly. Come on now.

Ryu

[Szczepankiewicz]

We are not equal.

We do however, deserve equal opportunity. The outcome depends on too many factors to guarantee that it will be 'equal'.


One of the largest problems facing our society today is that we are trapped under the illusion that everyone will find peace, prosperity, happiness and safety.

Laws of nature outweigh laws of man,
every single time.

Ignore this at your peril.

[hEmPY]

Erica

I think answa about yo question: why men use violence? is coz they got more power, and ya know that.

In general ull neva stop the violence. But u can change a single man forever. Guyz who try to beat'cha are usually weak, or they'd try beatin a guy. So if u met a guy who shows violence to u, u have to beat him as hard as guy'd do. That'd change him

First of is yeah, I am a man. Guy.

I think men need psychological help. The urge to destroy, to dominate, is so ingrained. Why can't we just coexist?

I'm from the Philippines, and I don't think Men Stopping Violence is here yet. I wish it were. I have strong urges for violence myself (even random violence), even sexual violence. I work hard to stay on top of these urges.

Small question: why are women so concerned with protecting themselves? I used to get beat a lot as a kid. Then I wanted to learn self-defense so no one would step on me. I wanted to protect myself. Then I got sick of getting beat. Karate didn't get me anywhere (I think it was my mind set's fault). My mind set changed into "I'm gonna maul any f**ker who messes with me." Now, the slightest attempt at bullying me down just inspires such a divine rage most people refuse to mess with me. I'm thinking, what if women think "I have the divine right to space and healthy living. Stand in my way and I will assert my divine right to mash your face and gonads into pulp."

Second question: I don't like hurting women. The only person I damaged badly in a fight was a girl, my big sister, but I don't think that counts. The thing is, I do get urges to hit women on two occasions. First is when they think that my powerlifter status makes me a human punching bag. But second and more importantly is when they verbally abuse me. I simply can't keep up with the verbal argument cause I think women are damned articulate when mad (I'm very articulate with speech, just not when mad). Hemispheral thing. So I wanna shut them up by hitting them sometimes (fight where I'm strong). Oh and there's a third instance: when I'm in a verbal argument and she "bullies" me my invading my personal space. Clicks into my head that when in a verbal agrument, anything that invades my space will be dealt with most harshly (sticking your face up to mine). In other words, I respond to such as an invitation to fight, but feel terrible cause society frowns horribly upon me fighting back (as I see more intuitively).

I'm real sorry, I think I sound like such a violent sexist. I really think I need help. But while patriarchal schemes are largely to blame for male to female violence, I think the awareness of women on men's psychological laws would be important as well.

All in peace. God bless the women of this world.

Please, I'm sorry, I have difficulty phrasing today. Just read child molestation thing and am so upset. Wanna kill all paedophiles with my bare fists.

Clarify statements if you please.

Dude.. Ur weak

[hEmPY]

Dont ever try to change somebody, yes you can change (what you think are) bad habbits like farting and announcing it or at least they'll suppress it. But if you think that you can take a mean individual and "change" them you are in for a shock, and an agonizing (possibly abusive) and (probally) doomed relationship. Your neanderthal will just; go into an animal induced rage if you push him to far and try and mold him. Thats one mistake that many women make in relationships.

As far as men commiting more violent crimes, why do you think this is? Its because they can, and women are protect and incouraged to be dainty in our society. But many times women, manuplate men to go and do their dirty work for them, so you have the dumb guy being controled by a women. Eventually this backfires and the women then gets beaten.

Anyways, i would say that in many places women act more violently than men because they can get away with it. They can slap a guy, and you cant hit them, but if a guy does that to you there will be a confrontation. This leads to women acting out of control and thinking that they can get away with whatever they want because of their gender.

Anyways if you people hate sexism so much than why are you picking on guys? Sounds like sexism to me.

Dude.. Yes women have to change men that show violence to 'em. They dont have to marry 'em, but if they got slapped, playin Jesus wont help, if u no what I mean. Personally Id like the fact that women properly use MAz and raped number a year is gettin lower.

And the question wasnot whoz more violent, but how can women stop men'z physical and sexual violence...

[guy incognito]

Many women(And its not their fault because men fight more) do not know when to leave a topic alone when a man has had enough.Often they will keep pushing a point well past what most men would tolarate from other men.Im not saying this is an excuse but its something that ive noticed that happens.
No violence to women should be tolarated but women need to realize that their mind games are just as destructive to men.

[guy incognito]

Note I dont want to upset anyone by what ive said,its the truth as I see it.Its my opinion and its my own.Im not in any way suggesting that violence is acceptable behavior just trying to add a male perspective.

[TNT]

Many women(And its not their fault because men fight more) do not know when to leave a topic alone when a man has had enough.Often they will keep pushing a point well past what most men would tolarate from other men.Im not saying this is an excuse but its something that ive noticed that happens.
No violence to women should be tolarated but women need to realize that their mind games are just as destructive to men.

......and like wise not as to offend anyone but I just had to throw this in....with thanks to Dixie Carter: "...........in general it has been the men who have done the raping and the robbing and the killing and the war-mongering for the last two thousand years.... and it's been the men who have done the pillaging and the beheading and the subjecating of whole races into slavery. It has been the men who have done the law making and the money making and the most of the mischief making! So if the world isn't quite what you had in mind you have only yourselves to thank!!"
Guy what I have noticed is that there are too many super egos out there lacking a a developed sense of morality and altruism....and no I'm not excluding women. (again let us not get our obi in knots and confuse opinion for fact.)