Honestly to all women about self defense..

[kengar]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380

no average women, american, russian, mexican, white, black, chinese..

all women .. Average women, housewifes..
cant take a powerful punch..

remember that black guy got pulled over with his daughter..
female cop got caught, and that fool over powered her and beat her damn brains out..

if it was a man cop, most likely it would happen the same.. but there is a chance that if there was a loop somewhere.. the male cop would have fought back and even blasted his ass..

If that were true that a woman couldn't take a punch from a guy then battered women would only need to be hit once. Men can usually hit harder then women, but just because they my not match us in brutt strength doesn't mean that they can not take a punch.

I know of the female cop your talking, but don't think that this doesn't happen to male cops. Our peace officers are not given proper training in my eyes. They need more range time and extensive H2H.

[rooke]

Misleading examples

90% of women who fight back do not get raped. A rapist is seeking an easy and quiet victim. The more they struggle and make noise, the more chance he'll get caught. The example of a woman not being able to fight back and then getting accosted might dishearten women.

The WORST thing they can do is NOT fight back.

Rooke

PS: Furthermore, a woman's USUAL objective in most self-defense courses that are taught is NOT to go toe-to-toe with a man, but to cause enough pain as a distraction to escape.

[crazyjoe380]

Originally posted by rooke
90% of women who fight back do not get raped. A rapist is seeking an easy and quiet victim. The more they struggle and make noise, the more chance he'll get caught. The example of a woman not being able to fight back and then getting accosted might dishearten women.

The WORST thing they can do is NOT fight back.

Rooke

PS: Furthermore, a woman's USUAL objective in most self-defense courses that are taught is NOT to go toe-to-toe with a man, but to cause enough pain as a distraction to escape.

well the whole reason i made the post was because there was a descussion about women make good martial artists.. they make good fighters.. and they can hang with a man..

so i made this post.. for the women who are boxers, kickers whatever.. see you were not here to see that post so it's just a bunch of posts .. misleading examples?? your too new to make an opinion to know what the thing is about .. it aint your fault.. but WOMEN FIGHTERS.

who think they can stand toe to toe with a man.. most likey wont make it..

i'm tired of explaining myself to all the dumbf.ucks in this post..

[Tom Yum]

I read the most recent issue of Grappling magazine (with the gal on the cover). The woman on the cover is a heavyweight MMA (she is 5'10" 165). While she trains with men and is successful vs. other women (some who are brutes!), she says that it is more difficult to gauge how successfull she would fight outside the ring, because men are generally stronger/hit harder than women. Not to say that she couldn't send a guy to the hospital, but against a Tyson like opponent she might land a few solid shots and hurt the guy, but in the end she would likely get ko'd if not worse.

A small percentage of women could probably defend themselves against a man, but the average woman cannot which is why we need to watch our ladies backs...heh, don't take this the wrong way.

[rooke]

Interesting...

Actually Joe, I was here for most of the postings. I just said your statements were misleading to any females who might be reading. And my statement indirectly re-enforced your statement by stating their main objective is to cause pain distraction and run.

No need to get defensive.

Such language and such strength of conviction though! How old are you? 16? 17?

Rooke

[crazyjoe380]

^^ i meant no disrespect to you personaly newbee..

but if my statement offended you then.. if the shoe fits wears it son..

i'm 26 years old.. you know nothing about me... i'd keep silence.. take the 5th..

[Jerry Wetzel]

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[Cain]

hmm

*sigh* kids.. behave! act up.. think.. think some more.. THEN write that goes for most of you:P again: small people have lesser chances against larger and stronger people.. that is a fact of nature.. no matter what gender you are: if you are smaller and weaker, you have less the chance! that has nothing to do with gender the fact that many girls end up in the "smaller and weaker" cathegory is a totally different subject..

[darrianation]

Take a female boxer, have you seen them box? They could kick (punch) the shit out of most men there size and weight unless the man is a world class boxer himself. I agree that in general terms that men are stronger than women pound for pound, that doesn’t mean some women can’t take a punch. Hell a lot of men can’t take a punch. Also remember medically speaking women handle pain better on average than men do.

One thing that’s interesting. The U.S. army did a study of the differences in strength between men and women.
1) Men and women of the same weight- men were only slightly stronger for lower weights. As the weight increased the difference in strength increased(towards the men).
2) They took 20 or 30 women and men (don’t remember how many exactly) of close to the same weight and had them lift a large heavy object together. Women and men separately . They found that individually the strength to be close (men slightly stronger). However collectively the men could lift almost double (1.5) times the women.
They didn’t have a conclusion on this in the article I read.

One thing that really ticks me off is when in women’s self defense class where Larry lunchbox (you know the big padded dummy guy) who runs out of nowhere and grabs the girl. The girl uses some kind of weak palm strike to the face, knee to groin, and second knee to groin. Good ol’ Larry does nothing to defend himself no blocks, no movement to avoid strikes, or grappling. He just simply falls to the ground out cold. And the victorious women dances her victory dance to the applause of the rest of the class. Yea that irks me. Talk about false sense of security. Of course I’ve seen the same from the men.

Lets not think thought that some women cant take a punch. I’ve seen plenty of women who are good fighters and who are serious about their training.

[terry]

Re: Women's vs. men's strength. Tudor Bompa has some specific statistics on the relative strength between women and men. I've got the book at home and I'll post the stats when I get home.

As I recall, there is a variance between women and men's upper body strength differences versus their lower body strength differences. (~70% of men's lower body strength vs. ~53% of men's upper body strength...I'll confirm specifics). In addition, women have better strength trainability pound-for-pound than men.

Case in point: I'm working with my wife right now to try to get her bench press up to 220 by the WABDL worlds in December (currently doing a clean 203). For a 127 lb woman her jab cross will definitely surprise you.

Terry

[crazyjoe380]

yes terry but your training her..


i'm talking a women with no training..

a man with no training

same situation..

who has a better chance?

THE MAN!

[IMPACT LA]

Hi Crazyjoe,

The points you make in your original post is all good, common sense advice.

I would think that the point you are making in your original post is a "given". But the implication of it is a little misleading. The implication being that there is NOTHING a woman can do to defend herself against a larger stronger man once an assault has gone physical. There are countless examples of smaller, weaker women incapacitating a larger, stronger attacker. Are the odds against her? You bet, IF it is an "All-out" fight, but though women are frequent victims of assault they are rarely involved in "all-out" altercations where the assailant is willing to fight to the death to win. That is just not the nature of MOST predators.

It is really important to keep in mind that men who attack women are looking for a victim, not a fight. In most cases when an assailant realizes that the intended victim will do everything in her power to fight back, the assailant flees NOT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BEAT/DEFEAT HER, BUT BECAUSE HE IS FEARFUL OF GETTING CAUGHT. Again, most rapists are looking for a prey, not an adversary.

If your point is that a larger stronger man would usually beat a smaller weaker in an all-out fight, then I agree. But again, this isn't a typical example of how women are involved in violent situations. It is NOT about 2 combatants fighting to the death as your post seems to presuppose, usually it is about one person trying to victimize the other, when the victimization doesn't go as planned, the assailant will usually give up the assault. This is the case in 3/4 attempted assaults against women.

However, the goal of all good training, first and foremost, is to AVOID potentially dangerous situations. This is done through 1) awareness and listening to your intuition. 2) confident body language 3) verbal skills to diffuse potentially dangerous situations. As you know, there is a great deal to each of these aspects of personal safety.

The goal of all women (& men) should be to avoid a physical altercation is at all humanly possible. Most situations can be prevented, through the above mentioned precautions. However, for those situations where one is unable to prevent or stop an assault through awareness, confident body language or verbal skills, physical fighting will USUALLY make the assailant flee, as soon as the assailant realizes that the woman does not make a good victim.


Best,
Perry

https://www.impactpersonalsafety.com

[crazyjoe380]

thanks for post perry

all i was trying to say in my og post is that... just because a women knows martial arts doesn't mean she should stand her ground in all cases.. the best thing for her to do is run..

a man's punch to a womens face.. she doesn't wanna see that.

[Crouchtig]

men are bigger, heavier, stronger, more agressive and have better spacial awareness than women

im sorry to say this but WOMEN CAN'T FIGHT

they just cant. their movements are pathetic (i see women doing thai boxing) i feel sorry for them

men are naturaly better fighters

best advice (as i believe joe said): women, dont get into a fight with a man if at all possible

eg dont travel alone in bad areas at night (common sense really)

[Battery]

Tut tut tut...

Generalisations are ALWAYS a mistake, Crouchtig.