On the mat with Jubidoo

[jubaji]

It seemed to me that you've been asking how leading with the head can be a "good thing" in the context of self defense where weapons are present. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you(DJForest) wanted to know how leading with the head into the path of the blade, brick or any other sharp or blunt object could be considered prudent or practical as it pertains to non-choreographed or non-rule based combat.

No, that is not what he asked. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and read his question again, moron.

[jubaji]

And here we see again that the little bitch is reduced to lies and fabrications in order to make up something she feels comfortable responding to. I guess between role-plays she sews together straw men with the rest of her sewing circle.

[kingoftheforest]

Let me ask you this then honestly just to clarify for myself, because i understand the idea isn't to drive your head into the other person. But isn't the object to drive your shoulder into the persons hip and snatch their legs out from under them, using the force of the shoot to unbalance them and make the leg snatch possible.

You're not just ducking down and grabbing their legs to my understanding, correct? It requires the forward momentum from the shoot as well as the leg snatch.

So you would drive in with the legs plant the shoulder, which would if done properly position your arms and hands just behind and slightly below the knee?

Are these correct assumptions for a typical basic shoot?

[jubaji]

But isn't the object to drive your shoulder into the persons hip and snatch their legs out from under them, using the force of the shoot to unbalance them and make the leg snatch possible?

That's going to depend upon what kind of shot you are taking, what kind of penetration you get, and how your opponent responds.

[jubaji]

You're not just ducking down and grabbing their legs to my understanding, correct? It requires the forward momentum from the shoot as well as the leg snatch.

There are a lot of different kinds of shot, so that description is a little vague to cover them all.

[jubaji]

So you would drive in with the legs plant the shoulder, which would if done properly position your arms and hands just behind and slightly below the knee?

Are these correct assumptions for a typical basic shot?

Now you are not only talking about the shot but also the kind of finish you may pursue depending on your opponent's reactions...

It's really kind of complicated

[kingoftheforest]

That's going to depend upon what kind of shot you are taking, what kind of penetration you get, and how your opponent responds.

I asked about just the basic shoot. Can you answer that? I asked if planting the shoulder in the hip was the objective. Do you not have a goal once you start to move?

[kingoftheforest]

There are a lot of different kinds of shot, so that description is a little vague to cover them all.

I specifically asked about a "basic shoot". Is there not a basic move that is taught to beginners? Once again is there not an objective to the move prior to the initial blast?

[kingoftheforest]

Now you are not only talking about the shot but also the kind of finish you may pursue depending on your opponent's reactions...

It's really kind of complicated

You should have a goal in mind as to what is going to happen before you move. In the short time it takes to close the distance and commit to the move you won't have time to change your mind or momentum.

What is the initial plan of attack when performing the "most basic beginner shoot".

Once you commit to the shot you're not going to be able to stop if the opponent does something you don't like, so what's the initial goal here?

Plant shoulder, snatch legs, drive opponent down to mat.

From everything I know that is the mechanic of your "basic shoot".

I didn't ask for fancy I specified "basic shoot" in my first question.

So just cover the basics please.

[jubaji]

I asked about just the basic shot.

There's really no such thing if you think about it. There are many kinds of shots and dozens of combinations of various finishes and counters and such.

[jubaji]

Once you commit to the shot you're not going to be able to stop if the opponent does something you don't like

Sure you can; happens all the time, although rather than 'stopping' you will transition off to something else or to another finish based on your opponent's reaction. Often it is a matter of anticipating that reaction and playing the chess game 3 or 4 moves out from the initial shot. And of course the shot can even be a complete feint intended to get the opponent into position for something else entirely.

[kingoftheforest]

There's really no such thing if you think about it. There are many kinds of shots and dozens of combinations of various finishes and counters and such.

So then when the coach was teaching the 8 year olds how to shoot in the video, it wasn't a basic move, and they were all advanced wrestlers?

Am I to believe there is not a basic mechanics of the shoot? That you just throw someone in the ring and say "Figure it out."?

There is nothing taught as a basic shoot in wrestling?

[kingoftheforest]

Sure you can; happens all the time, although rather than 'stopping' you will transition off to something else or to another finish based on your opponent's reaction. Often it is a matter of anticipating that reaction and playing the chess game 3 or 4 moves out from the initial shot. And of course the shot can even be a complete feint intended to get the opponent into position for something else entirely.

So basically when you shoot in there is no commitment to the move. You kinda do it and hope you out guessed your opponent?

If I am reading this wrong please elaborate, but here is what I understand from you terse replies.

There is no basic shoot, it is an advanced move for experienced wrestlers who figured it out on their own.

You don't commit too much power to the shoot because you are not sure if you out guessed your opponent or not and may need to "change the game plan" mid shoot.

There is no such thing as "basic mechanics" of a shoot other than keep your face up shoulders back and hips tucked?

Could you please tell me where your shoulder would land if you shot in on a stunned opponent and took him down?

I just want the mechanics of where the shoulder and hands are in an ideal shoot that worked, if you are going for a double leg take down. Can you explain the mechanics of that type of shoot? The objective being to take the opponent to the mat and stop there, for now.

[jubaji]

So then when the coach was teaching the 8 year olds how to shoot in the video, it wasn't a basic move, and they were all advanced wrestlers?

Am I to believe there is not a basic mechanics of the shot? That you just throw someone in the ring and say "Figure it out."?

There is nothing taught as a basic shoot in wrestling?

I just don't want to give you any misleadingly generalized answers. You have to understand there is a distinction between a shot and a finish. When teaching kids you begin by working (for a loooooooong time if you do it right) on drop steps and the proper mechanics of initiating the shot.

[jubaji]

So basically when you shoot in there is no commitment to the move. You kinda do it and hope you out guessed your opponent?.

I didn't say that, but neither should you overcomit. You see a lot of young, inexperienced wrestlers just throw themselves around and are unable to respond to a counter.