On the mat with Jubidoo

[jubaji]

for the purposes of this discussion you're being deliberately vague so not to concede the point. .

I'm being very specific because that IS the point.

[jubaji]

The point being that ANY shoot or variation of a shoot is incredibly dangerous in a fight where your opponent may be armed. .

Hadn't you noticed that YOU were the only one insisting on talking about an armed opponent? No? You keep screeching about that although no one else was talking about it.

[jubaji]

First of all, your options become limited the moment you took a knee due to lack of mobility.

You see why I took pains to be careful in my descriptions? You are assuming that any shot will necessarily involve a drop step all the way down on one knee. Why? Because there is more than one way to penetrating and controlling despite what kotf found in his brief google search of the subject.

[jubaji]

There are options but none that would help you to control the weapon arm. .

Again, only YOU are insisting the the scenario necessarily involves an armed man vs and unarmed one. No one else has been talking about that. If it makes you feel better I don't think and have never said nor implied that the best response to an armed attacker is a leg shot. Folk/freestyle wrestling does not involve training to combat armed opponents.

[jubaji]

you had to go even further and claim that in a situation like that you have time to decide your next move ... meaning that you won't react based on previous training, but instead you'll actually have the luxury of time to calculate, weigh and measure options .

Again this insists on circumstances no one else was talking about AND reveals a lack of experience in the actual topic that was being discussed.

[jubaji]

We are speaking about shooting in on a mugger in an alleyway or on a thug in a park at night time. Whether he had a blade, a brick, a gun or a bottle you'd be fucked or at least be rushing in to get fucked up.

That was ALWAYS my point..

That was YOUR point but no one else's, and of course even that vague description involves far too many variables to make categorical statements about it.

[jubaji]

strength, weight and height weigh in as huge factors

Those are always factors, and they become more and more "huge" the more closely the opponents are matched.

[Uke]

First off, how funny is it that you heard jubidoo's howls for help? HoOoOoWwWwWwLlLl ...

What do you call a Shoot style attack from the back side of the armed suspect?

I'd call it a sucker punch or in this case a blindside type tackle. That requires little skill and presents little danger in closing the distance because the attacker isn't even aware the tackle is coming. In that scenario a jump spinning back kick would be fine because ANYTHING that the attacker isn't prepared for or even aware of would and could work.

I could care less what angle it comes from. You wanna be on the ground with a man with a blade then you go right ahead. Tackling a man does not guarantee control of the weapon arm. There are better options for me. This isn't "The Last Action Hero" where people need to bust through windows and tackle every guy they fight.

I explained that there is value in that wrestling could control those who are not armed in situations where a wrestler feels safe or better yet BOLD enough to quickly close the distance like that when there is uncertainty.

I mean if you're not FACING the blade but you're in position to ambush from his blind side?

That sounds like a scenario tailor-made for Brewer or Jubaji to writes stories meant to boast about how they executed a reckless and dangerous maneuvers .. and because they weren't killed or maimed during the execution the end justifies the means in their minds.

That's what it sounds like to me.

If he is between you and the blade is much better than pointy end facing your front, eh?

This was discussed? Or is this your own position on the matter? The whole point of the question(from waaaay back) was to show people that shooting in on an opponent who may or may not be armed is foolish because your head is coming forward without protection, but one particular blowhard argued that that wasn't true. It took all of this to bring that truth to light, but quieting his stupidity is impossible.

You seem expert in sharing the technique....

Thanks for the compliment!

Minimize the jubashing... We all have limitations. TY

Minimize the jubidoo antics and the jubashing will disappear instantly!

I see you haven't mentioned a thing about his tourette syndrome meltdown on the USC forum. As funny as it was, it was still uncivilized.

Sorry to hear about your pooch, Tant01. Currently I'm kicking the shit out of mine all over this forum. He needs to be broken and while its proving difficult, its fun as hell.

[jubaji]

I'd call it a sucker punch or in this case a blindside type tackle. That requires little skill and presents little danger in closing the distance because the attacker isn't even aware the tackle is coming. In that scenario a jump spinning back kick would be fine because ANYTHING that the attacker isn't prepared for or even aware of would and could work.)

Like everything you guys keep saying about knife attacks (you know, the only kind you 'allow' to happen in your theories).

[jubaji]

You wanna be on the ground with a man with a blade then you go right ahead.

I'd sure as hell rather have him on the ground where I am controling every part of him than standing two feet away from him.

[jubaji]

That sounds like a scenario tailor-made for Brewer or Jubaji to writes stories meant to boast about how they executed a reckless and dangerous maneuvers .. and because they weren't killed or maimed during the execution the end justifies the means in their minds.

That's what it sounds like to me.

You and your ilk take any experience as "boasting" because you have apparently never set foot outside the LARPer Lair, and resent people for "surviving" when you theories say they 'shouldn't.'

[jubaji]

your head is coming forward without protection

Yes, yes we have established that you don't understand how a shot is executed, little bitch.