Why Is French Savate So Ignored?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Why do people flock to MT and BJJ.......do they, I haven't noticed that overhere

Laypeople do not know abut MMA events, in holland they will consider K1 kickboxing and that is only known because of Hoost

MA rarely get TV coverage and we do not have PPV
that is why MA in general aren't to popular, certainly not compared to soccer, the soccer assoc has more than 1 mil members in a 16 mil country, Judo assoc has 53 thou official karate assoc 10 thou ( but a lot of other assoc like kyokushin org)

About 5000 members for both the MT assoc and the kickboxing assoc, because most fighters will fight in both assoc

BJJ is there but on a very, very small scale, not even 150 people doing that ( checked and it might not even be half of that)
so to say that people are flocking to it is nonsense in my coutry and probably in a lot more coutries around the world

[real]

Because Savate guys have not dominated Kickboxing like MT guys. IF the style dominates like MT it will be popluar.

hello,

savate is not appropriate for K1 for example, because they wear shoes, and kicks are very differents... There are "push kicks" on knees (chassé bas), in front kick or side kick, and using of different parts of the shoe to strike, toes to solar plexus or strike to shin...like in Jeet kune do...
if rules authorize shoes...savate is not the ultimate system...but many storys tell victory of savate on Muay thaï...Dan Inosanto told one...
Thaï boxers kick with shins because it's the harder part of the leg whitout shoes, but if we know strike with hard shoes...I learned low kick with toes (with shoes) in krav maga, and it's VERY effective...
And many champions of K1 know Savate...For example Peter Aerts. They are very few to practise only MT.
Savate is not a sport who wants to be very popular, boxers are not payed...
A lesson is not only based on competition techniques...and they don't try to be K1 fighters.
Competition is restricted with techniques, but when I practise again sometime, I learn how to very easily broke a nose, neck attacks, how to use the chair where I am sitting...But it's the techniques of the origins and I dont think it's learned out of France...even out of Paris...


It's important to know that Practitionners of savate are not payed !!
so they turn on MT, full contact or kick boxing when they are "good", so we don't see them on tournement like K1...because they became other practitionners for money.

ps : sorry for my english...

[MuayThaiFighter]

hello,

savate is not appropriate for K1 for example, because they wear shoes, and kicks are very differents... There are "push kicks" on knees (chassé bas), in front kick or side kick, and using of different parts of the shoe to strike, toes to solar plexus or strike to shin...like in Jeet kune do...
if rules authorize shoes...savate is not the ultimate system...but many storys tell victory of savate on Muay thaï...Dan Inosanto told one...
Thaï boxers kick with shins because it's the harder part of the leg whitout shoes, but if we know strike with hard shoes...I learned low kick with toes (with shoes) in krav maga, and it's VERY effective...
And many champions of K1 know Savate...For example Peter Aerts. They are very few to practise only MT.
Savate is not a sport who wants to be very popular, boxers are not payed...
A lesson is not only based on competition techniques...and they don't try to be K1 fighters.
Competition is restricted with techniques, but when I practise again sometime, I learn how to very easily broke a nose, neck attacks, how to use the chair where I am sitting...But it's the techniques of the origins and I dont think it's learned out of France...even out of Paris...


It's important to know that Practitionners of savate are not payed !!
so they turn on MT, full contact or kick boxing when they are "good", so we don't see them on tournement like K1...because they became other practitionners for money.

ps : sorry for my english...

many storys tell victory of savate on Muay thaï...

Oh really !!!!!!! I'd like to see some proof of that

I learned low kick with toes (with shoes) in krav maga, and it's VERY effective...

Anyone who kicks with their toes, shoes or no shoes is not very bright.If Krav Maga really teaches you that then thank God I don't take that style.

I learn how to very easily broke a nose

It doesn't take martial arts to be able to break a person's nose easily.You'd have to be a moron to not know how to.

how to use the chair where I am sitting.

It really is not that hard to pick up a chair and use it as a weapon.People in clubs,especially biker clubs use chairs to knock someone out cold all the time by hitting a person on head with it,without ever having done martial arts.

[EmptyneSs]

at the place i train, one of the instructors is like a 7 time french kickboxing champion, among many other titles. his style is savate. this guy is awesome. one of the main differences between savate and mt is that savate uses way more boxing. also, im not sure, but i think in savate the rules dont allow low kicks, the kicks have to be high, thats why they look more dynamic. savate aint bad at all.

this guy is Jerome Turcan
Former seven time French Kickboxing Champion. Savate Champion. 1991 European Champion. 1997 WKN Full Contact World Heavyweight Champion, and ISKA World Super Cruiserweight Champion.

he has also been in k1 and k2

this guy is one of the most dedicated, nicest, and most hardworking trainers we have at aka. he is such an awesome coach. he whips people into shape. he can for sure hold is own against other kickboxers.

[MuayThaiFighter]

[QUOTE=jules]It has nothing to do with "being american", why do people flock to BJJ? Because it has proved it's effectiveness in events like UFC, KOTC, and Pride. Why are more and more people going to MT? becuase it has proven it's effectiveness.



Becuase he grapples as well as he strikes, but if you ask him "what does your "freefight" consist of?" he will give you the names of the styes he intergrated into is system.



Are they Savate practioners? I don't understand why you are bringing up their names...



Boxing has proven itself in MMA. The use of boxing instructors and "modified boxing" such as "crazy money" is now commonplace among MMA fighters; as well as BJJ instructors, and MT instructors.



Boxing has been used in MMA since it's conception, the Lions Den, Brazilian Top Team and other major MMA teams use boxing instructors. Why do they bring in Boxing instructors? Because it works. Besides why would a good boxer go into MMA (unless he is over the hill and no one want's to see him fight such as Brotha and Tyson)? The money is too good in boxing. You can earn millions in a night as comapred to tens of thousands in MMA.

only to satisfy peoples wishes to say:"My art is better than yours"? Hope not[/quote

No to actually put their money where their mouth is. The reason why more and more people are going to BJJ is because it is effective not because it is " because it's a European (French) art and not Asian that makes it less glamorous." People flock to BJJ because of the same reason people flock to MT. They have proven themselves. I remeber a Dominick Gordeau(sp) attempting to compete in K-1... ouch...

I totally agree with you.Effectiveness is what makes an art become more popular.No one wants to do an art that has not been proven effective except those who continue to do traditional asian arts like karate,kung fu,tkd,etc. and don't care if it is effective or not.

[osopardo]

I guess Bruce Lee was wearing a gay suit ...I don't think so. ]

Really? You don't think this looks just a bit effeminate?

[Tom Yum]

I think its just the gay suit. Here he is in his fight mode.

[CKD]

Why is French Savate so ignored? I don't know. Why is burmese boxing, chinese sanshou, Russian Draka(a very effective style that combines Russian fistcuffs, muay thai, boxing, takedowns and throws, Russian fistcuffs and many other effective striking arts ignored? At least people know what savate is and abput there funk suits, I started a thread on Russian Draka and people had no clue what it was. Savate is not as ignored as other styles, but since savate, draka and all these other arts do not have as big of a following, which means less fighters to make it to k-1, they will barely be noticed.

[Happeh]

Why is French Savate so ignored?

I think it is no publicity. I have never seen Savate except for 2 movies. One was Lethal Weapon 3 I think. There is a, I think, South African man who does Savate in the final sequence.

The other is in the movie Ong Bak. That is a real fight. I think it is Savate. I never saw anything like it and the guy moves like what is described in written descriptions of Savate.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Why is French Savate so ignored? I don't know. Why is burmese boxing, chinese sanshou, Russian Draka(a very effective style that combines Russian fistcuffs, muay thai, boxing, takedowns and throws, Russian fistcuffs and many other effective striking arts ignored? At least people know what savate is and abput there funk suits, I started a thread on Russian Draka and people had no clue what it was. Savate is not as ignored as other styles, but since savate, draka and all these other arts do not have as big of a following, which means less fighters to make it to k-1, they will barely be noticed.

Never heard of Draka either.What is Russian fistcuffs ?Besides obviously being a Russian martial arts .

[CKD]

Never heard of Draka either.What is Russian fistcuffs ?Besides obviously being a Russian martial arts .

Draka is a combo of MT + throws. I heard it has some other stuff also. Many Sanshou are claiming that its a ripoff of Sanshou but they have slightly different rules and the Russians seem to be good at strikes and throws while a lot of Chinese Sanshou people only seem to be good at sidekicks and throws. Russian Fistcuffs is an ancient Russian art that makes good use of basic boxing blows, quick eliptical hand strikes, low kicks and takedowns. I have also seen an interesting thing online about Buza, another Russian art that looks really awesome.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Draka is a combo of MT + throws. I heard it has some other stuff also. Many Sanshou are claiming that its a ripoff of Sanshou but they have slightly different rules and the Russians seem to be good at strikes and throws while a lot of Chinese Sanshou people only seem to be good at sidekicks and throws. Russian Fistcuffs is an ancient Russian art that makes good use of basic boxing blows, quick eliptical hand strikes, low kicks and takedowns. I have also seen an interesting thing online about Buza, another Russian art that looks really awesome.

These Draka and Russian Fistcuffs not only sound realistic but also like cool and interesting arts of combat.

I have also seen an interesting thing online about Buza, another Russian art that looks really awesome

But is it effective? I don't care what an art looks like I care about whether it is realistic or not. Could it save someone's ass on the street?

Many arts look awesome but are uneffective.

[CKD]

These Draka and Russian Fistcuffs not only sound realistic but also like cool and interesting arts of combat.

I have also seen an interesting thing online about Buza, another Russian art that looks really awesome

But is it effective? I don't care what an art looks like I care about whether it is realistic or not. Could it save someone's ass on the street?

Many arts look awesome but are uneffective.

For my judgement of awesome is no b.s, looks effective, no flying throught the air junk. But I try to not judge by just looks. Some people are narrow-minded and if they don't see two men rolling around in speedo's they will not consider it effective, or if they do not see some old guy lecture about chi they will not consider it effective. I try to be open minded and research more before I make my judgment about it. Looks can be decieving, for example I had my doubts about Systema because some of the stuff looked unrealistic like the no-touch k.os. I did some research and found out that was really phsycology work and there was a logical explanation for all the things that I doubted. I actually found out that Fedor uses Systema principles in his pucnhes! But anyways I got a friend to check it out and he said it was great. I also found a clip of another art called Borba or something, here it is http://www.alibitivi.com/tv.php?idFilm=263