Mixed Martial Bullshitters

[Uncle Corny]

Karate can be very lethal on the street, and grappling is a part of karate. That is baloney that karate is strictly stand-up, that is just because of movies and commercialization. And good karate schools teach full-contact. A karate fighter who trains as hard as a Thai fighter, with some boxing thrown in, I think is just as lethal as a Thai fighter (except for maybe that Thai roundkick!). But I'd prefer to do what this one guy did, he combines TKD and Muay Thai, so he does both. Good karate on a strong person is very effective if they train hard, but incorporate some boxing and like the Thai roundkick as well, and you have a very good striker.

One thing also, remember against some dumbo street thug, a trained martial artist, even if all they know is striking (kicks, punches, strikes, etc....) chances are they are far stronger and more agile than said thug. So if they go to the ground, I think the thug will lose. But also if they are strong, it might be hard for the thug to take them down.

A good karate or TKD or Thai person, even with no grappling training, I think should be like how Rambo is to that mean cop in First Blood, where the cop grabs him and then is like, "Damn this boy is hard to get a hold of!"

i disagree.

[sherwinc]

How many of you have actually any fighting experience? I am directing this to the Mixed Martial Artists, you guys seem to bethe most mislead bunch of idiots ever to surf the internet! UFC is not reality guys, wake fucking up!

It is nothing like reality so please stop trying to compare UFC with reality, who the **** in their right mind is going to take a fight to the ground in a busy club or pub or outside on tar mac with shits loads of people present? who? I'll tell ya who, a guy who suddenly trips or is so pissed he falls on his ass, maybe th etwo who are fighting know jack shit about actually fighting and end up STAND CLINCHING then fall because they havnt a clue how to keep standing, as usually thats were all fights end up, in the stand clinch... so to be honest Muay Thai is perfect for street defense.

UFC this Gracie that ... damn... most of these mixed martial artists are fucking UNI students and rich kids who have never fought in their lives but they are so damn quick to takle the word of a couple of fucking buisness men who self promoted their art correctly.... who gives a **** if some guy claiming to be a Muay Thai fighter gets beat in UFC? really who gives a shit, it proves nothing only you had better train in Ju-fucking-Jitsu before fighting in UFC or else training damn hard with those guys to prevent being takendown. In reality however it is different, the ground should be a fucking mystery not somewhere you want to fight and if you find yourself on the ground then you get back up as quickly as possible cos if you doint I am going to jump all over your fucking head!

do you understand? UFC = nothing like reality

Yes, i understand....... i understand that UFC is an Ultra Ultimate Funds For Currency Commercials

[HuSanYan]

unless you've been in a real fight, you'll never know what hit you upon your introduction one dark night, when you're not on your guard.

no shit Sherlock

[eXcessiveForce]

Muay Thai is the most practical, wether you like it or not, for street self defense.

And this is why the president of Fairtex is dead. he began to believe his own press.

[Uncle Corny]

no shit Sherlock

oh, attitude? considering this is the umpteenth thread of a related topic that i've had to make the same silly comment. you appear to be the only person who knows what i'm talking about. thank you for sharing my pain.

[Hardball]

You're right. A really good streetfighter get's it over in 3-5 seconds. Maurice Smith knocked out more grapplers than you ever know but He doesn't get the credit because of his losses.

{Footnote: see www.bullshido.com

[Garland]

And this is why the president of Fairtex is dead. he began to believe his own press.

Um....I just came upon this, and I have to say, you're pretty fucking out of line, my friend. Alex Gong was perhaps the best American based muay thai fighter, and was on his way to becoming an excellent MMA competitior, making Fairtex complete school with both ground and stand up to rival any camp anywhere in the world.
Alex Gong contributed more to the martial arts than any fighter in recent memory, and to claim that he got cocky is a complete mistake.
He got suprised by some fucking skel with a gun who didn't hesitate to pull the trigger, nobody can anticipate that sort of thing, when somebody pulls a gun on you, you either get shot, or they decide not to take your life.

And so-called street-fighters are shit. Rent bum-fights to see a group of street fighters, and how they fight.

[eXcessiveForce]

The accounts I have read say he chased down the people who stole his car. And they killed him. I agree it's unfortunate but look at it this way, he was probably a better fighter than most of the people on this forum, now he is dead because he entered a situation were he was unprepared. NO amount of Muay Thai is going to prepare you for taking on armed men.

So for these people to talk about MT being the best for street self defense is silly, otherwise alex would still be alive.

[Garland]

The accounts I have read say he chased down the people who stole his car. And they killed him. I agree it's unfortunate but look at it this way, he was probably a better fighter than most of the people on this forum, now he is dead because he entered a situation were he was unprepared. NO amount of Muay Thai is going to prepare you for taking on armed men.

So for these people to talk about MT being the best for street self defense is silly, otherwise alex would still be alive.

No...nothing can help somebody against somebody with a gun whose intent is to shoot you...except for divine fucking intervention or fate jamming the gun...
It's impossible to tell if somebodies packing these days, too many people carry guns and knives and shit.
There is a great divide between street self defense, and being out of luck in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mr. Gong had no clue what he was walking into, and it could have honeslty happened to anyone, no amount of training is going to help you, unless you walk around 24/7 like a lunatic with a bullet proof vest and strapped with a gat, and even then, shit happens.
Anyone who believes completely that they can strip a gun away from somebody is full of shit and should stop watching tv, and anyone that has, has simply been very, very fucking lucky.

Reality's a bitch, but most of the people in this forum need to get with the fucking program.

[gregimotis]

...too many people carry guns and knives and shit.

I think this statement is incorrect. I'd say rather that not enough people carry guns and knives and shit. Or maybe another way of saying it is; not enough people anticipate guns and knives and shit.


Too many Martial Arts type people don't recognize the utter uselessness of thier system when a deadly weapon comes into play.

BJJ vs. knife = dead grappler
Muay Thai vs. knife = dead Thai boxer
western boxing vs. knife = dead boxer
insert RBSD vs. knife = you get the point (haha)

Sure, you 'might' hit the guy and knock him out, or you might get lucky and shoot behind to choke or something. Sure, Dan Inosanto or somebody might be able to take a toy knife away 8/10 times in practice but listen:

If you train three times/week hour a day for three years in order to defend yourself, and all I have to do is pick a ten dollar blade (not even train with it) to defeat you better than half the time, where does that put empty hand martial arts?

If you aren't going to carry a deadly weapon, then you need to recognize the unmistakeable disadvantage you are at in S.D. There's far to much theoretical hyperbole (that's a big word for bullshit) around regarding 'self defense' and it sounds just like this: 'I train blah blah knife disarm usually works blah blah guns missfire sometimes blah if you run at an angle blah blah sometimes gunas are hard to aim and blah blah maybe he can't get it out in time blah blah maybe I only get cut a little blah.




(not a critisicm of Mr Gong, by the way)

[Tant01]

... Or maybe another way of saying it is; not enough people anticipate guns and knives and shit.


Too many Martial Arts type people don't recognize the utter uselessness of thier system when a deadly weapon comes into play.

...

If you train three times/week hour a day for three years in order to defend yourself, and all I have to do is pick a ten dollar blade (not even train with it) to defeat you better than half the time, where does that put empty hand martial arts?

If you aren't going to carry a deadly weapon, then you need to recognize the unmistakeable disadvantage you are at in S.D. There's far to much theoretical hyperbole (that's a big word for bullshit) around regarding 'self defense' ...

INTENT is a strong foundation.

[retired]

The accounts I have read say he chased down the people who stole his car. And they killed him. I agree it's unfortunate but look at it this way, he was probably a better fighter than most of the people on this forum, now he is dead because he entered a situation were he was unprepared. NO amount of Muay Thai is going to prepare you for taking on armed men.

So for these people to talk about MT being the best for street self defense is silly, otherwise alex would still be alive.

you cant defend yourself against a guy pulling a gun out on you & firing.

man to diss a dead guy you know nothing about & only what you read makes you a total wanker

[Tant01]

you cant defend yourself against a guy pulling a gun out on you & firing.

man to diss a dead guy you know nothing about & only what you read makes you a total wanker

So tired of all the defeatist mindset of so called Martial artists. If a handgun were the end all weapon then cops should be safe and yet 1 in 5 officers killed in the line of duty by a firearm are killed by their own weapon... go figure. There are problems in the MA industry when it comes to dealing with real violence. Ignorance about weapons is just one of them. What we can learn from the loss of a great fighter is that bravado, ego, or retaliation can get us dead fast. Who thinks it's a GOOD idea to pursue a car thief or a group of thieves without back-up or a weapon or training in the nature of pursuit itself?

[retired]

Ah right so you just LET them take what they like from you?

He was just unlucky that there was a psycho in the car mate not that there was bravado or anything.

[eXcessiveForce]

Retired, I'm not saying he wasn't a great guy or well accomplished, or even cocky. that wasn't what I was saying.

He just didn't think what he did through very well. It was a car, (SUV, actually if I remember right) and he died for it. You just asked do you let them take if from you, well guess what they still took it from him along with something more important, his life.

My comment was to point out to those people talking about how they can go out a win fights in the "street" because of MT. And that it is the best form of Self Defense. Well guess what in a fair fight you might win, but when you start believing that you are prepared to take on that guy on the street because you know MT is when the other person proves you wrong because they have a gun, a knife, or friends.

It's the bravado around here that needs a check, but really wouldn't thinks have turned out much better for him if he had just gone in and called the police. He'd still be alive today. If some of these previous posters actually believe what they are typing then they may suffer the same fate as Alex.

Reread this thread, then think critically about what people have written. Do you think any of these people saying MT is great for street fights have even half the Talent or ability as Alex?

MT does not ensure your survival, that is the whole point no matter how good you are.